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What's the country coming too?

This is a discussion on What's the country coming too? within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by HotGuns There are more people in China that speak English than any other country. That ought to make one sleep well at ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    There are more people in China that speak English than any other country.

    That ought to make one sleep well at night.
    They are projected to become this year or very soon from what I understand, exact figures are hard to come by. Also what does that have to do with my sleep? Though I would be amiss if I failed to point out that in many places where people traditionally took English as a second language they are now taking Chinese.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    The Colombians, like most other countries, have English as the most common second language. American culture, products, and business dominate the Colombian marketplace. Do I have to speak Spanish to shop for groceries? More often than not, sure. Do I have to speak Spanish to engage in official business w/ the Colombian government? No - if they don't speak English already, they'll find someone who does in order to accommodate me. (Note that I try to do most of my business in Spanish as a courtesy, but sometimes I just don't have the vocabulary, especially if it is a very specific or technical subject.)

    If you don't want to do business with someone that doesn't speak English, then don't. But don't try to tell anyone else (or, God forbid, have the government try to mandate) what language they can do business in...

    The simple fact is that the entire world, by and large, has already "adapted" to our culture. They watch our movies and TV shows, wear our clothes, drink our sodas and beer, and so on. There are INFINITELY more non-Americans that speak English than there are Americans who have learned a second language.
    So in your case you have adapted in your personal life and they have accommodated to you in your job. You have taken the responsibility upon yourself to fit in as best you can. For this I salute you. All I'm asking for in return is for immagrants to do the same here. Not expect the system change to them.

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    We could all just move south and immiggrate to Mexico? Pobably the southern part of Mexico cause its a little rough around the border I hear. I like Corona

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    re: HG-no language workaround from me, misunderstanding

    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Yo people...

    we dont use language workarounds on this forum.

    ***** is unacceptable here. Please follow the rules and refrain from such use. If you are getting the asterisks in place of a word,then choose a different word.

    Thanks.
    If you are speaking of my reference to Spanish being printed on toilet paper, that wasn't a language workaround. I have a box of Angel Soft paper with a considerable amount of Spanish printed on the plastic wrapping. My point was that it is the manufacturer's choice and right to print whatever he wishes (1A) on his product if he feels it will improve his sales.

    Sorry if there was a misunderstanding, but I didn't use a language workaround; just a real world example of what I was writing about.

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    The real problem is not what language a person wants to speak--although I think if someone can't converse in English they will be at a disadvantge.
    I think the real problem is our porous borders. I received an email today that resonates with me:
    "This is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around. I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.
    Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work..
    Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.
    In 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.3 million Mexican Nationals! The program was called 'Operation Wetback'. It was done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs. It took 2 Years, but they deported them!
    Now...if they could deport the illegal's back then - they could sure do it today. lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyColby View Post
    We could all just move south and immiggrate to Mexico? Pobably the southern part of Mexico cause its a little rough around the border I hear. I like Corona
    +1 on the Corona. Could do that instead of Ron White's version on how to get the U.S. out of debt which would be to buy Mexico, fix it up and flip it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    I'm on my fifth one doing just that as we speak. It's worked out pretty darned well, thanks.

    Look, I don't think that anyone is suggesting that we replace English as the de facto official language, and I in fact think that we've crossed a line regarding how much "other" language we put out there. I also think that those who come here have a moral obligation to learn as much English as they can. Those who don't learn any English, however, are self-selecting out of much that America has to offer, and they suffer plenty of penalties for their lack of language skills - such as the full benefits of emergency medical care, as posted earlier.

    What I am suggesting, however, is that the last thing we need is MORE government intrusion into what is a deeply personal facet of our lives. Mandating language, even if it my mother tongue, sounds double-plus bad to me, if you know what I'm saying...
    Opfor, I'm all for less intrusion and smaller gov't. The problem is if you don't speak the language of your host country, it's not only emergency services you have problems with, it's laws, jobs,etc. And who ends up paying for that? We, as a nation, can not afford this any more. If I were to move to another country, I would learn as much of their language as possible, and I would still keep my home language and customs too. But, if I became a burden to that new country because I could not assimilate, ..my bad, not theirs.
    I find it offensive to me that someone CHOOSES to come to this country, but won't put out the effort to adapt to the change, and wants ME to adapt to them. No way. I'm tolerant, but not stupid. I will help all who try to make it work, because we are a nation of immigrants, but it's the immigrants who put out the effort who have succeded. JMO
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    When you allow one thing to go by it turns into two then three.......
    This countries freedoms and liberty are being stripped from us one freedom at a time. The sad thing is the fact that WE the PEOPLE are letting them do it.
    The govt. owns two auto makers runs a lot of the banking industry and continues to take things over. Energy i.e.; power plants and oil companies are next. Welcome to the UNITED SOCIALIST STATES of AMERICA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelRabbi View Post
    You should read Roman History my friend. The Roman Army was almost completely made up of foreign mercenaries at the end of the Empire.
    Yes the end of the empire. Isn't that the point here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    There is a lot of resentment in this country right now for the current immigration situation, and it has a bleed over effect that makes people take aim at people in this country who are from other countrys. Because of 911, we are suspicious of all middle east people, and now its mexicans are the focus. This magnifies things like language differences. I agree with OPFOR that many people are double standard when it comes to freedom issues. The real problem is not people who come here for a better life, but the goverment of our country who has not done its primary job of securing the border and ensuring the immigration process is done correctly. To hate these people to the extent that we dont even want them to speak their language around us is not patriotic or american, just ignorrant and backward redneck philosphy. To move forward, we must think forward.
    I think to say that people " hate " them because they speak their own language is going a bit too far. Nobody has said anything close, that I've read. It seems the sentiment is speak whatever you want, but KNOW the english language so you can communicate with the citizens, gov't., health services, etc. of the country you choose to live in. Don't make it a burden on them to learn your language so they're able to help YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnow View Post
    Yes the end of the empire. Isn't that the point here?
    I certainly hope not, meaning, I hope we're not repeating history here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celticredneck View Post
    I caught the end of the NCAA track meet yesterday when I tuned into CBS to watch the third round of the PGA tournament. The track meet ran long, but finally ended after the men's 4X400 relay race. Then CBS went to commercial. It was a "National Guard" promo. What made it interesting was that it was done entirely in Spanish. I thought we were still, officially an English speaking nation. This is taking political correctness a bit too far. It didn't even have English sub titles.
    Didn't you hear? We're a spanish speaking country now. We surrendered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WvHiker View Post
    Almost all of my ancestors were immigrants. I remember my great grandmother; she only spoke Italian. My great grandfather spoke enough English to get by. People today get so fired up about language. The same people who yell, "This is America, speak English or go home!" often barely have a grasp of the language themselves. I don't think a lot of people honestly understand the dynamics of our collective history.
    i just visited germany for a year and didnt speak one word of english while there (as did many others, who didnt know of word of german before getting there).
    i understand that my english isnt all that great, but dangit you move to a country and you need to make an honest attempt to learn the language spoken there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoGunn View Post
    Maybe the commercial was intended for Tele Mundo, the "Spanish" speaking channel and was inadvertently put out on CBS.

    We are a predominately English speaking country, have been for years, but it is has never been officially recognized as our National language. At one point in our early past history, people came from several European nations bringing their language and customs.

    The Dutch settled in what is now New York State and NYC was first called New Amsterdam. They spoke the Dutch language. Many German speaking people settled in Pennsylvania and were called "Pennsylvania Dutch" however, the word was a corruption of the word Deutsch which is German for "German". Swiss speaking people settled in Maryland and eventually ended up going to Wisconsin. The French language has been spoken in Louisana for many years because France had claimed it and the vast territory we now know as the Louisana Purchase.

    It was only after the United States was born and well into the mid 1800's did most of the colonial languages go by the wayside and English became the predominate language.
    Most people who settled in Pa from 1680's - 1760's were English speaking. In the early part Wm Penn was awarded what is now Virginia, Delaware and Pa for helping finance the wars for the King. He then gave free land to any "Quakers" who wanted to settle there from Scotland, Ireland, and England. German's came mostly later into that area.

    It included four of my family lines in the 1680's, and I"ve not only read the history and books written about it, but ship logs and many familiy letters, etc. as well... from both sides of the ocean. Later, Wm Penn's daughter kept most of Pa soley for Quakers immigrating here, whereas his son got Virginia and sold most of it off (he wanted the money). I've even helped and provided research for 2 books on it.

    We have some historically Swiss, German, etc. settlements in this state and many people will talk in those languages, but NOT to anyone else.... it was stressed for generations within MOST families that when outside of the house, this is America and you speak English.

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