This is a discussion on What would happen if 20 million illegals left the US? within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by paramedic70002 How about we let them join the "Free Mexican-American Legion," arm them and send them to Mexico City to execute a ...
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What you two are overlooking is the fact that the vast majority of seasonal farm/crop immigrant help are registered and here LEGALLY on work visas.
The article is speaking directly to the ILLEGAL bums here. Not the LEGAL ones
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I'm sure there would have to be adjustments made if all illegal's were sent home, but the path we are on now is full of adjustments we can't continue to make.
I also suggest that if you're growing tired of beating "their" heads against a wall maybe you should reflect on who needs the "beating".
Gas prices here should go down, with that many fewer drivers.
What we consider it : "illegal immigrants" ..... people who violated our laws and our security.
What Obama considers it :; "undocumented workers" ...... potential voters.
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throwing ideas out there. none of these are anything I have ever thought of for more than the time it is taking me to make this post.
- Evaluate how many of the 20 million are here as refugees from some terror, and make plans for what to do with them in a manner different than how you plan to address issues presented by folk who are drug traffickers, human traffickers, and the like. What you do with them could be the same as what you do with the real filth, or it could be different and humane and incorporate the reality that America has throughout history exerted a lot of effort to define it's driving ethics as including setting a priority on things like Human Rights and humane treatment whether it takes place within or outside our borders
-Figure out a way, if deportation is the desired answer for all 20 million regardless of whether or not crime or salvation or perhaps the more simple and more broad: "the chance to hope for something better" was the reason for violating immigration policy in getting here, to enact a plan for achieving our goal (here defined as: reduce and ultimately eliminate "illegal immigrant" population in America).
This could include implementing policies like different criteria for getting folks here (broaden or change qualification categories for people applying),
Or maybe by instituting a deportation plan which sends folks back to families they send money to elsewhere with the instructions to please apply for immigration from outside our borders and expect your answer to your application withing existing guidelines, providing a "refugee exemption" option for those here already but not able to return for fear of death to have some work-stay plan which involves them going to employment areas (not internment camps) where even unskilled labor could provide actual benefit to our country while their chance to stay continues to benefit them.
Or perhaps we could come up with some kind of grand organization not unlike Teachers for America except have it be be designed for the purpose of specifically training existing non criminal illegal aliens for jobs which pay enough for them to be able to pay taxes. And instead of thinking of people based on the fact of their lack of documents (yes, an illegal and problematic issue) as defining them as scum or filth or full of disdain for America. In most cases, I think these people idolize America in just so grand a way that they are making their life's work doing everything in their power to figure out how to make THIS the place they and their family and the generations to come where they live. I could be wrong. They may hate us, hate it here, and do nothing but sit around and think about how truly shitty America is.
And come up with plans for how to re-design employment law (and enforcement) in America to, at the same time we make our deportation plans and revised immigration laws and what have you, build an America with a mindset where "illegal" is "illegal" whether it's on the side of the worker OR the employer. If there are consequences for being an illegal worker, there should be consequences for being an illegal employer. Every worker that gets deported includes an employer that gets shut down. Every worker that gets put on some sort of "not deported but saved in a way we can as a country agree meets all our mutual needs" includes an employer being responsible for financially making that option possible, having already chosen that employee as more important to their business and bottom line that obeying the laws of their country.
For folks (myself included) who were fortunate enough to have been born within our borders by virtue of the fact of our forefathers having been pioneering Come To America immigrants in prior generations, we could try to think about this issue in a way that would not, by definition, have eliminated for our parents or their parents or their parents' parents opportunity to be in, live in, work in, and build families in, America.
I think how we treat this issue (no matter the final answer) will do a lot to define what America is, and is going to be, for the next several centuries not just for the next 6 months to 10 years. I think we should approach the issue with a long-term "our forefathers" kind of viewpoint. Ultimately, create a policy document like the constitution, as brief as possible. as far-reaching as possible. as broadly applicable as possible.
And spend as much time as we want in the crafting of it.
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One other benefit not mentioned is that auto insurance rates would probably go down, with fewer non licensed, non insured drivers on the road!
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And you know what? I'll pay more for lettuce and save on my taxes without all the "programs" for illegals. Not to mention my auto insurance could go down because of fewer crashes by illegals who can't drive, my health insurance could go down with fewer illegals in the emergency room with a cold, and the cops won't need to be arresting all the gangs.
Get over this idea that we have to have illegals. We don't.
The problems with a legal guest worker program seem to me to include:
1) Ever expanding demands by employers to bring in more and more. In the end you get the same result of depressed wages and too few jobs, and an underclass presence with crime etc.
2) There is no good way to assure the guests leave.
Now, is it better than the de-facto guest worker program we have presently? Of course. But a guest worker program isn't really a good answer and hasn't worked well in the past. A huge part of the reason we needed an amnesty program in the 1980s was the guests who never left.
Our choice is to import food (which we currently do perhaps to excess) or pay more for our food, or let the migrants in and pay less for food today, more for social and political dislocation tomorrow.
All bad choices. This is what happens when we let the business community dictate the rules to Congress and not the other way around.
The world powers have ordered Obama (and Bush before) that we WILL have a new world order (where did I hear that? Bush 41) Do you think Obama and Napolitano don't know people are dying at the border? Of course they do, but they have their orders, "The border will NOT be secured no matter how many Americans are killed." When you're ordering the president around, you must have big power, and it's not votes.
Agriculture has always relied on cheap labor. We started with Slaves, then Sharecroppers, then Children, and today Mexicans. Yes, Mexicans, the vast majority of Migrant Workers are from Mexico. One thing for absolute sure is that the price of food in the US would rise very quickly. In fact, we may import more food than we do now.
I don't consider myself pro or anti immigration but it does concern me when any group of people get the blame for so many of societies evils. IMHO we should be addressing the policies that allow employers to hire undocumented workers, send welfare checks to non-citizens and force hospitals to treat non-emergency patients without cash or insurance. If there were no American companies hiring undocumented workers I am certain the tide would recede on it's own.