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    Mexican Drug Cartel soldiers shot in Arizona desert: Los Zetas officer says shoot to kill Americans in retaliation
    July 11, 2010 by ppjg

    By Michael Webster: Syndicated Investigative Reporter July 8, 2010 at 12:30 PM PDT



    One of my informants whom I have called Juan in previous news reports, called me recently on the cell phone he provided me at our last meeting a month or so ago. He told me that his boss, a Los Zetas Mexican drug cartel officer, wanted to meet with me and give me some important information regarding the so called war on drugs raging on the border. A date and time was set up for this meeting at a public place.

    At this encounter, the Mexican I met was clean shaven with a military style “high and tight” short hair cut, who looked to be about 35 years old or so, claiming to be an officer in the Los Zetas Mexican drug cartel organization. He told me straight out that he believed two of his men were shot and killed recently in the desert in Arizona by American vigilantes and he would be taking revenge. He first said he thought that his men where killed by opposing drug cartel member gangs; saying he and his men had killed several gang members recently whom they thought were responsible for those killings and other recent attacks in the area. That bloody confrontation took place just south of the Arizona border. The shootout left 21 dead.
    The violence took place between the hamlets of Saric and Tubutama along a notorious smuggling corridor. Nearby is the town of Altar, which I have reported on in the past and which for more than a decade has been a major staging area for illegal smugglers headed for the Arizona border.
    The Los Zetas officer said “I now believe my men were shot by crazed American vigilante cowards, who ambushed my solders at night, shot them from a great distance using high powered American rifles. Then our load of drugs were stolen”.
    He said, “this is a warning to those type groups that my men have been instructed to shoot and kill any Americans who are seen armed and roaming the deserts”. He went on to say that the murder of his men has not been properly investigated by the sheriff of Pinal County.
    The Los Zetas officer said “I believe there is a cover-up by sheriff Paul Babeu by protecting the Americans who did the killings. If the true facts of this case are not revealed publicly and the guilty ones are not brought to justice then I will hold the sheriff personally responsible”.
    The Los Zetas officer went on to tell me that “I have many of my Zetas soldiers posted throughout the area watching these groups and their movements and it will be just a matter of time before our side gets revenge. In the mean time you must leave our people alone and the drugs they carry or my instructions will stand and this will mean war.”

    Note: A pair of heavily armed vigilantes dressed in camouflage and carrying assault rifles captures a group of suspected undocumented migrants after they crossed into the U.S. through a border ranch in eastern San Diego, CA.

    Vigilante type death squads roam the Mexican drug cartels drug corridors choke points, hunting for armed drug smugglers. These patrols are heavily armed with military style automatic and semi automatic weapons including 50 cal sniper rifles with night vision scopes and use technology such as night vision goggles, Vietnam era ground sensors and hidden trail cameras. Using these weapons and technology make them a real force to be reckoned with and very dangerous for those patrolling the Arizona desert and many other locations on the U.S. Mexican border from Texas to California.
    There are several volunteer groups in the United States that claim to be watching our border with Mexico. Many of them are known as minuteman or patriot organizations. Some are just week end warriors and don’t pose much of a threat to Mexicans and do not try to arrest or otherwise play border patrol; they mainly just spot suspicious activity and call it into authorizes.
    According to Ready the action is under way and his men are there to show force and solidarity of concerned patriots. NSM, Constitutional groups, Militias, Biker MC’s, National Guard, Military, multi-state participation groups, etcetera; [SIC] to stand the line near Interstate 8 to show the world that the line in the sand has been drawn. This is a completely legal venture and the utmost professionalism and self-restraint is recommended.

    “We’re going to block off the narco-terrorists that come up through this area,” said Jason “J.T.” Ready, who is one of the organizers of the group. Ready says volunteers are coming from all over Arizona and even out of state to support the effort.

    “This is the Minuteman Project on steroids,” Ready explained. “We’ve got people with assault weapons. We will use lawful deadly force where appropriate.”

    According to some reports Ready has ties to extremist groups, including a neo-Nazi group known as the National Socialist Movement. Ready has denied the group is neo-Nazi.

    But Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu says, “Though I appreciate their support and offer to take up arms and patrol, this would not be helpful and would only cause a strain on already strained resources; their safety needs to be a priority. I do not ask or encouraged them to come here.”

    Arizona authorities reportedly found two bodies near a common border crossing recently, not far from where a police deputy was shot last April (MyFoxPhoenix.com).

    According to the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office they are working with ICE and the Mexican Consulate to identify the men and notify next of kin, as information from the caller and documents at the scene “strongly suggests both men are now believed Mexican Nationals. Earlier authorities believed the pair, were Americans.

    Some investigators want to believe this incident is likely the result of the ongoing violent battle between Mexican drug cartels and not an American vigilante shooting. Investigators have not been able to confirm if the two men are part of the drug trade or just what they were doing at the camp.

    Authorities believe that the Sinaloan drug cartel, is currently controlling the region from Rocky Point, Sonora, Mexico to Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. How ever there are reports that the Los Zetas drug cartel has moved into the area and are now challenging the Sinaloan drug cartel.

    “A competing cartel or other people stole their product from them and also killed them,” Babeu said.

    An autopsy on the bodies found marks on one of the men’s shoulders consistent with carrying a large pack. Babeu says it could have been from carrying a drug load. Investigators are also looking into whether or not these men were involved in the shooting of deputy Purrol. That’s because they asked dispatchers to send someone to the spot where Purrol was shot.

    “So they’re familiar with the area. It’s just not people watching it on TV. The desert looks similar in all kinds of remote areas in Arizona. He actually knew where the deputy was shot,” Babeu said. The sheriff admits the cartels are operating in his county and without the federal government’s help they can’t get control.

    Babeu points out that the cartels control parts of his county in terms of the remote areas in the drug corridors in the desert here in west Pinal County. Our government has even erected signs warning citizens to beware this is a known drug corridor,” Babeu said.

    A spokesperson told the media that when the 911 call came in deputies immediately started a search but found the two bodies shot to death after four hours of looking. As a result of this violence Babeu asked President Barack Obama to send 3000 National Guard troops to the border to help stop it.

    “We can’t patrol only these remote areas; we have a hard enough time just responding to our emergencies.”

    Deputies found an automatic rifle near one of the men who was killed. The pair has yet to be identified but Babeu believes one of the men has been caught illegally in the United States at least seven times.

    During that 911 call, a wounded suspected smuggler revealed tantalizing familiarity with the shooting of a Pinal County sheriff’s deputy, the sheriff said. The caller now suspected of being a drug smuggler called 911 that evening after he and a partner were shot while walking up a smuggling trail in southwestern Pinal County. He and the partner died in a remote area before officers could find them. While trying to explain his location to a dispatcher, the suspected smuggler said in Spanish that he was “right here where they shot the sheriff.”…


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    I'm usually on your side in all things "border" but this sounds like it came out of a comic book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    I'm usually on your side in all things "border" but this sounds like it came out of a comic book.
    I agree, but some of the things are correct. It's like the man is putting together summary of the past two to three months.The two men that got killed were at the spot that the LEO was wounded.I do not know very much about the reporter.It's a wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    I'm usually on your side in all things "border" but this sounds like it came out of a comic book.
    If you lived down here and were aware of the stuff that goes on on a daily basis, you'd be less skeptical. I'm not offering proof, just anecdotal support that what is described here is not in the least far-fetched.
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    Just google Los Zetas and pull your head out of the sand. I dare you to refute one thing in that article. It is all happening, it is all real and people better wake up.

    Satcong, here is the authors bio:

    michael Webster - Authors Articles - ArticlesBase.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Just google Los Zetas and pull your head out of the sand. I dare you to refute one thing in that article. It is all happening, it is all real and people better wake up.

    Satcong, here is the authors bio:

    michael Webster - Authors Articles - ArticlesBase.com
    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Just google Los Zetas and pull your head out of the sand. I dare you to refute one thing in that article. It is all happening, it is all real and people better wake up.

    Satcong, here is the authors bio:

    michael Webster - Authors Articles - ArticlesBase.com
    I'm not disputing the facts. Just the presentation.

    Refute one thing? A secret meeting with a boss of a cartel, hell I had dinner with Elvis last night. Refute that.

    My head is not in the sand. I just chose to give credit to more reliable sources, like my wife's family who live in various locations all along the Texas,New Mexico, and Arizona border.

    Is this a very serious problem? Yes. Are stories like what's been presented here helpful ? No.

    If my head is stuck in the sand I can only imagine where yours may be stuck if you believe everything you read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    I'm not disputing the facts. Just the presentation.

    Refute one thing? A secret meeting with a boss of a cartel, hell I had dinner with Elvis last night. Refute that.

    My head is not in the sand. I just chose to give credit to more reliable sources, like my wife's family who live in various locations all along the Texas,New Mexico, and Arizona border.

    Is this a very serious problem? Yes. Are stories like what's been presented here helpful ? No.

    If my head is stuck in the sand I can only imagine where yours may be stuck if you believe everything you read.


    I spend a lot of time on the AZ border hunting. I believe what I see and hear first hand, but hey a lot of people know somebody.

    The stories presented here are factual and happened. I can find multiple news sources that have reported on the same things as well an numerous LE being threatened and attacked on a daily basis. As a matter of fact they are still happening, so when you are done playing Defensive Carry editor in chief making decisions what is helpful or not, maybe you can think before you type.

    Here is some dime store novel video for you to slam because of the presentation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUlhYkJVu0Q

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    Guys--just an encouragement here from a junior member that its ok to disagree, and one of the things I enjoy about this forum is that folks here are very respectful of one another. Please, let's stop with the cheap shots OK

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    Ok, In this thread I see three people from Arizona where all this stuff is going on arguing with a guy from Kentucky. Hmmm, I wonder who is right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott View Post
    Guys--just an encouragement here from a junior member that its ok to disagree, and one of the things I enjoy about this forum is that folks here are very respectful of one another. Please, let's stop with the cheap shots OK

    Thanks!!
    I speak the truth, if people want to continually come in here saying this stuff isn't happening, is being sensationalized, or play politics with it, I am going to refute their head in the sand claims. Offer goes up for any of you folks, fly out here and I will take you hunting out on the border or where I usually go in Pinal along the canals south of Casa Grande in the "hot zone", over the years, I have been shot at, chased, shot back.... ran into large groups coming over the border, seen dead people, trash, destruction.... maybe it will wake you up to what we have been dealing with for the past 10-15 years. The first time you are in my truck and we get chased by coyotes trying to run us off the road or get shot at from inside your own borders you will wake up. Or that feeling you get when you come across 30 or 40 illegals and realize there is no-one else around. yeah we can call 911 LOL and if they even show up they will take a report and pass it on the feds who will do NOTHING. Only now that more civilians are being shot at and killed and even LE are being shot at is anyone waking up to what is going on. We are being invaded, our sovereign soil is being trampled on by cartels, coyotes, illegals with no respect for anything but themselves. Come on down and feel the pain.

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    Folks, let's calm down the interpersonal sniping and discuss the topic, not one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    I speak the truth, if people want to continually come in here saying this stuff isn't happening, is being sensationalized, or play politics with it, I am going to refute their head in the sand claims. Offer goes up for any of you folks, fly out here and I will take you hunting out on the border or where I usually go in Pinal along the canals south of Casa Grande in the "hot zone", over the years, I have been shot at, chased, shot back.... ran into large groups coming over the border, seen dead people, trash, destruction.... maybe it will wake you up to what we have been dealing with for the past 10-15 years. The first time you are in my truck and we get chased by coyotes trying to run us off the road or get shot at from inside your own borders you will wake up. Or that feeling you get when you come across 30 or 40 illegals and realize there is no-one else around. yeah we can call 911 LOL and if they even show up they will take a report and pass it on the feds who will do NOTHING. Only now that more civilians are being shot at and killed and even LE are being shot at is anyone waking up to what is going on. We are being invaded, our sovereign soil is being trampled on by cartels, coyotes, illegals with no respect for anything but themselves. Come on down and feel the pain.
    I would disagree when you say the Feds are doing nothing. They're doing things, like taking Arizona to court for having the audacity to enforce our laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEW58 View Post
    I would disagree when you say the Feds are doing nothing. They're doing things, like taking Arizona to court for having the audacity to enforce our laws.
    They are also posting warning signs to warn travellers, tourists, hikers, etc. how dangerous the south AZ area is. And as you say, apparently the Federal government is suing AZ in order to keep AZ from doing anything about it.
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    For a time Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument had warnings on their official web page warning people of the dangers of the illegal activities there. Now I believe they took those warning off their web site. Not PC enough.
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