This is a discussion on A friend was turned down for a job because... within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by atctimmy Well said Sir, and thank you for not getting upset. Freedom can be very frustrating, but IMO it's better than the ...
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell
Magazine <> clip - know the difference
martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter
You have never lived until you have almost died. For those that have fought for it, life has a special flavor the protected will never know
Remember that case brought to court by those guys who wanted to get hired as Hooters girls? Guys wanting to get hired as Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders? There's a reason the aestheticians in department stores all look like models. Abercrombie and Fitch has successfully defended their hiring practices. Ads for warehouse workers often state physical requirements for the job. Fire departments have fairly brisk requirements for applicants regarding strength and agility.What if an obese woman applies for a job at a high-profile health food store?
The law, as established by precedent does indeed allow employers to be selective when a job requires certain kinds of individuals to the exclusion of others. Y'know, the way some people talk, you get the impression that an employer has to hire the first person who walks through the door. Ain't like that.
Over the years I've interviewed easily over a thousand people and hired dozens, in various firms I've worked for. In virtually every case we hired the person that we liked the most. That seems to be how it works. You advertise a job. You get resumes. You call in applicants, and you pick the one you like best. If you like none, then you run the ad again. Repeat until job filled.
The law, and the government by extension, is not an evil, leering monster that jumps out of dark corners to mug the hapless employer who only wanted to pick the best person for the job, but too bad and oh boo hoo the crybaby PC rules and regulations put the strip club owner out of business because he had to hire a bunch of obese male truck drivers instead of pretty girls.
But that's not the problem here.
Another thing to keep in mind, of course, is why the law does work the way it does and what we're trying to accomplish. Remember that scene in the ice cream store in Billy Jack? The bully... what's his name? ... Benard! Bernard comes in to defend the racist shop owner who doesn't want to serve the multicultural children of the Freedom School. He says something like, "Bob here just wants to run his business and he has the right to serve the kind of people he wants..." Too bad for him Billy Jack shows up.
And I see all the people who want this female welder denied a job as being like that store owner, as being like Bernard, as being like the hotel operator who won't rent a room to "the wrong people," and something inside me - the values I learned that say we protect the underdogs and always try to accommodate people who are trying their best and just asking for fair treatment - that something inside me sees an injustice. It doesn't really matter to me how that situation is resolved, just so long as at the end of the day, that woman flips down her helmet, fires up the torch, and starts welding.
Maybe the way we get there is through a lawsuit. Maybe through arbitration. Or maybe a friend of hers shows up and explains some facts of life to the guy. At the end of the day, I don't want to see this person's dream crushed and snuffed out because some idiot good ol' boy doesn't know the difference between right and wrong.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
No matter how you slice it if you let some higher power make the decisions about who gets hired you are no longer free. This is America after all and you are free to your opinion and I am free to hold a different opinion. In the end people are free to be bigots and fools too, it's what freedom is all about.
Last edited by atctimmy; August 29th, 2010 at 09:39 PM.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
This is off the EEOC website.
Whether you feel this is fair or not. If a business (private or government) hires people off the street, these are the laws they must abide by, or face Administrative or Judicial penalties.
Don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see!