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    Article: Great Britain now the world's most violent developed country

    Got this off another forum I frequent. Pretty sad state of affairs in the old GB. The url requires a user/passwd , so I'm quoting from the other location i read it.

    *The Wall Street Journal*
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115049820183382878.html

    */Mad Dogs and Englishmen/*

    By JOYCE LEE MALCOLM
    June 17, 2006; Page A11

    With Great Britain now the world's most violent developed country, the
    British government has hit upon a way to reduce the number of cases
    before the courts: Police have been instructed to let off with a
    caution, burglars and those who admit responsibility for some 60 other
    crimes ranging from assault and arson, to sex with an underage girl.

    That is, no jail time, no fine, no community service, no court
    appearance. It's cheap, quick, saves time and money, and best of all the
    offenders won't tax an already overcrowded jail system.

    Not everyone will be treated so leniently. A new surveillance system
    promises to hunt down anyone exceeding the speed limit. Using excessive
    force against a burglar or mugger will earn you a conviction for assault
    or, if you seriously harm him, a long sentence. Tony Martin, the
    Norfolk farmer jailed for killing one burglar and wounding another
    during the seventh break-in at his rural home, was denied parole because
    he posed a threat to burglars. The career burglar whom Mr. Martin
    wounded got out early.

    Using a cap pistol, as an elderly woman did to scare off a gang of
    youths, will bring you to court for putting someone in fear. Recently,
    police tried to stop David Collinson from entering his burning home to
    rescue his asthmatic wife. He refused to obey and, brandishing a toy
    pistol, dashed into the blaze. Minutes later he returned with his wife
    and dog and apologized to the police. Not good enough. In April Mr.
    Collinson was sentenced to a year in prison for being aggressive towards
    the officers and brandishing the toy pistol. Still, at least he won't
    be sharing his cell with an arsonist or thief.

    How did things come to a pass where law-abiding citizens are treated as
    criminals and criminals as victims? A giant step was the 1953 Prevention
    of Crime Act, making it illegal to carry any article for an offensive
    purpose; any item carried for self-defence was automatically an
    offensive weapon and the carrier is guilty until proven innocent. At
    the time a parliamentarian protested that, /"The object of a weapon was
    to assist weakness to cope with strength and it is this ability
    that the bill was framed to destroy."/ The government countered that
    the public should be discouraged /"from going about with offensive
    weapons in their pockets; it is the duty of society to protect them."
    /
    The trouble is that society cannot and does not protect them. Yet
    successive governments have insisted protection be left to the
    professionals, meanwhile banning all sorts of weapons, from firearms to
    chemical sprays. They hope to add toy or replica guns to the list along
    with kitchen knives with points. Other legislation has limited
    self-defence to what seems reasonable to a court much later.

    Although British governments insist upon sole responsibility for
    protecting individuals, for ideological and economic reasons they have
    adopted a lenient approach toward offenders. Because prisons are
    expensive and don't reform their residents, fewer offenders are
    incarcerated. Those who are get sharply reduced sentences, and serve
    just half of these.

    Still, with crime rates rising, prisons are overcrowded and additional
    jail space will not be available anytime soon. The public learned in
    April that among convicts released early to ease overcrowding were
    violent or sex offenders serving mandatory life sentences who were freed
    after as little as 15 months.

    The government's duty to protect the public has been compromised by
    other economies. Police forces are smaller than those of America and
    Europe and have been consolidated, leaving 70% of English villages
    without a police presence. Police are so hard-pressed that the
    Humberside force announced in March they no longer investigate less
    serious crimes unless they are racist or homophobic. Among crimes not
    being investigated: theft, criminal damage, common assault, harassment
    and non-domestic burglary.

    As for more serious crime, the unarmed police are wary of responding to
    an emergency where the offender is armed. The Thames Valley Police
    waited nearly seven hours to enter Julia Pemberton's home after she
    telephoned from the closet where she was hiding from her estranged and
    armed husband.

    They entered once the danger to them had passed, but after those who had
    pleaded for their help were past all help.

    To be fair, under the Blair government a host of actions have been
    initiated to bring about more convictions. At the end of its 2003
    session Parliament repealed the 800-year-old guarantee against double
    jeopardy. Now anyone acquitted of a serious crime can be retried if
    "new and compelling evidence" is brought forward. Parliament tinkered
    with the definition of "new" to make that burden easier to meet. The
    test for "new" in these criminal cases, Lord Neill pointed out, will be
    lower than "/is used habitually in civil cases. In a civil case, one
    would have to show that the new evidence was not reasonably available on
    the previous occasion. There is no such requirement here."
    /
    Parliament was so excited by the benefits of chucking the ancient
    prohibition that it extended the repeal of double jeopardy from murder
    to cases of rape, manslaughter, kidnapping, drug-trafficking and some 20
    other serious crimes. For good measure it made the new act retroactive.
    Henceforth, no one who has been, or will be, tried and acquitted of a
    serious crime can feel confident he will not be tried again, and again.

    To make the prosecutor's task still easier, he is now permitted to use
    hearsay evidence -- goodbye to confronting witnesses -- to introduce a
    defendant's prior record, and the number of jury trials is to be
    reduced. Still, the government has helped the homeowner by sponsoring a
    law "to prevent homeowners being sued by intruders who injure themselves
    while breaking in."

    It may be crass to point out that the British people, stripped of their
    ability to protect themselves and of other ancient rights and left to
    the mercy of criminals, have gotten the worst of both worlds. Still, as
    one citizen, referring to the new policy of letting criminals off with a
    caution, suggested: */"Perhaps it would be easier and safer for the
    honest citizens of the U.K. to move into the prisons and the criminals
    to be let out."/*

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    */"Perhaps it would be easier and safer for the
    honest citizens of the U.K. to move into the prisons and the criminals
    to be let out."/*
    Indeed! British subjects should revolt. Where's a Cromwell when you need him?!
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

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    What a sad state of affairs. But the fault lies with the British people, they are the ones that put up with this tripe and keep electing the government officials that come up with these policies.
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    That is horrible. Where's the common sense?!? Where's the uncommon sense?!? Any sense?!? That stuff is scary. Well at least the burglar won't be able to sue the defensive homeowner while the homeowner is in jail.
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    But the fault lies with the British people, they are the ones that put up with this tripe and keep electing the government officials that come up with these policies.
    Tony I agree in principle but when the voting choice is for a Devil with a plain tail or the one with a pointy tail - the results turn out about the same. It would take a major rebellion IMO to turn things around now they are so bad.

    Things deteriorated thru the 90's ever more while I was still there but since the start of this millenium have gone from bad to worse. It appalls me and on consideration it is hard to see that the UK subject these days has any real rights left at all.
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    ...so the UK did lose the "Battle of Britian".....except they didn't lose to another nation-state....they lost it from themselves.
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    A sad fact I could add - it would take something as dramatic and severe as a major war to get folks pulling together again - otherwise in part at least IMO, complacency continues to rule.

    The new generations of sheep who have never been ''blooded'' by warfare are not famous for their resolve - heads in sand works much better.
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    That is sad and very scary to me. People drift into sheep and, it appears, will accept anything. As CopperKnight said, where's common sense?

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    It would take a major rebellion IMO to turn things around now they are so bad.
    You're right, Chris, but they better do it soon, because Great Britain as a country and society is on the verge of total collapse.

    Meanwhile, the Royals sit buttoned up inside Windsor Castle, oblivious to the fact that their Kingdom is falling apart around them.


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    "Police have been instructed to let off with a
    caution, burglars and those who admit responsibility for some 60 other
    crimes ranging from assault and arson, to sex with an underage girl."


    Yeah.....that'll work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry
    Tony I agree in principle but when the voting choice is for a Devil with a plain tail or the one with a pointy tail - the results turn out about the same. It would take a major rebellion IMO to turn things around now they are so bad.

    Things deteriorated thru the 90's ever more while I was still there but since the start of this millenium have gone from bad to worse. It appalls me and on consideration it is hard to see that the UK subject these days has any real rights left at all.
    I'm sure you are right, having been there and all. But if we believe that legitimate government comes from the people then we get the blame when it's crappy government.

    I know this is probably going to sound bad, but I think people need a good war now and then to let us know what is really important in life. One day we (and not just our English friends) are going to wake up and our freedoms are going to be gone. And it will be nothing more than laziness, cowardice and some good old head in the sand attitudes that get us there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by distortion9
    "Police have been instructed to let off with a
    caution, burglars and those who admit responsibility for some 60 other
    crimes ranging from assault and arson, to sex with an underage girl."


    Yeah.....that'll work.

    Im sure they thought how that will look good in the books. If they dont have to record these "warnings" they can claim next year that crime has dropped.
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    (Extreme cynic's hat on) - maybe we could export our low to medium grade criminals from here to there - they'd have a field day with no prosecutions - give is a break. (/hat off)

    I know no one should promote vigilantiism but heck - it might need that to control the flood of new crime once the bad guys realize what they can get away with.
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    Here's an idea

    I think that the officials making all these laws up should be forced to live in the same crime ridden areas as everyone else.

    I think that they should not get police protection. As the article says, the police are too far pressed now, so unfortunately, proctecting some liberal with no clue about what is going on around them is a luxury that the people cant afford.

    It's utterly ridiculous. But, as P95 says, the voting options are limited. And the people in power are not the ones who have to deal with the consequences.

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    Great Britian and her Commonwealths have watched their crime rates soar because crooks have nothing to fear except maybe a stabbing or clubbing.Where were the citizens? They have the royals to cheer as they are really subjects now !

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