Police shoot, kill family dog in Oakland.....

Police shoot, kill family dog in Oakland.....

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    Unhappy Police shoot, kill family dog in Oakland.....

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    Crikey. Another one? I've still got that Westlake, OH one floating around in my head that I read and commented on yesterday. Apparently people who own dogs should not have burglar alarms, because they are putting their pets in grave danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAcanis View Post
    Crikey. Another one? I've still got that Westlake, OH one floating around in my head that I read and commented on yesterday. Apparently people who own dogs should not have burglar alarms, because they are putting their pets in grave danger.
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    That is aweful. Was the dog charging? Everybody knows the most labs are harmless. The dog was barking because the officers entered her territory. This could have been handled differently. Sounds like a trigger happy LEO to me.
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    Sounds like pretty low-life cops to me. The dog was in the backyard, barking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tkruf View Post
    That is aweful. Was the dog charging? Everybody knows the most labs are harmless. The dog was barking because the officers entered her territory. This could have been handled differently. Sounds like a trigger happy LEO to me.
    That's certainly what is sounds like. Like someone looking to discharge their weapon "in the line of duty". Obviously more training is needed in these types of situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAcanis View Post
    That's certainly what is sounds like. Like someone looking to discharge their weapon "in the line of duty". Obviously more training is needed in these types of situations.
    +1.. trigger happy LEO needs more training
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec View Post
    +1.. trigger happy LEO needs more training
    Since we weren't there, we don't know the circumstances. You're assuming that the dog started barking before they got in the yard or from far enough away for the police to process the details (breed, apparent limitation of movement, age, etc.). You're also forgetting the stress that these guys were under, actively going after what they presume to be a potentially violent criminal. For all we know, based on the details of the story, they were approaching the door with guns out when the dog suddenly appeared in the doorway snarling. In such an already stressful situation, the mind interprets "threat" not "11 year old yellow lab with arthritis." From two or three feet away, I think a natural reaction would be "oh crap" and shoot in less than a second.

    I'm not condoning the callous handling of the matter after the fact but you can't jump to "trigger happy LEO" based on the evidence.
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    Alarms at homes are very often false, tripped by pets or the gods. This home had a labrador retriever. It growled, but there was no biting, no attack, no apparent threat (according to the officers' report).

    The claim was that time was of the essence, that limited time precluded the use of any tool except the firearm:

    When approached by a threatening dog, officers can use pepper spray, a Taser or gun to deter the animal. In this case, the officer probably didn't have time for pepper spray or Tasers, [police spokesman Jeff] Thomason said.
    If there's time to draw and fire a pistol, wouldn't there be time to "draw" the other tool on the belt and "fire" that one? Time can't be the issue, can it??
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    Unhappy

    Even if I have my sidearm out while checking the intrusion alarm if a dog comes at me I have my feet protected by SWAT type boots to use as a defense while I transistion to an ASP baton or OC spray or a taser which most all of us carry . There are many who fear large dogs and do not understand how to interact with them. Sad state of affairs.

    As a side point to what has been expressed previously, no large dog including a lab is harmless. All have teeth and all can bite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    If there's time to draw and fire a pistol, wouldn't there be time to "draw" the other tool on the belt and "fire" that one? Time can't be the issue, can it??
    Once again, I think we would have to assume that they approached the house with handguns drawn since we don't have much information other than they saw the door was open and concluded that there was an intruder inside. Since dogs don't typically open doors, they would have been prepared for a possibly violent human encounter.

    Let me explain that I agree that additional training is needed, but I think it's important that we don't jump from what little information we have been presented to "trigger happy LEO" as many people here have done.
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    Sorry guys, I love dogs too...But the owner set herself, and the dog, up for failure.

    As per the news report...

    Hallock had set the burglar alarm, and as she had done many times before, she left the downstairs back door open so Gloria could have refuge from the heat in the fenced backyard.

    The dog apparently tripped the alarm around noon, and [As they should as per reason to have the alarm in the first place!]the police showed up a few minutes later.

    As officers circled the house, they saw the back door open and thought an intruder was inside[Which is very reasonable thinking considering her home intrusion alarm had activated being catalyst for their response!], Thomason said. At that point, Gloria allegedly growled and barked at the officers, and one of the officers fired three rounds, all of which hit the dog - at least one in the head.
    This seems to me to be rational never mind SOP response by the police, and is _irrational_ aberrant behavior by the homeowner.
    Why set the intrusion alarm only to A) Leave any door open (!) and B) Knowing that the alarm has motion sensors do so when you fully expect the dog to be coming/going as from within the house _among_ the motion sensors (!)...Which could very possibly trip the alarm, and involve a police response. Duh.

    As to the police responding and shooting the dog; What else are they to think and do?
    House with an intrusion alarm where in specific this sort of thing does NOT occur often...They find clear visible appearance of entry at an area door specifically common for criminals to force...And as they approach the door to investigate fully expecting to jump a criminal(s) in progress they are run upon at surprise by a canine.
    They are not going to stand there and do a diagnostic to check to see if it is youthful or aged, spry or arthritic, is it's tail wagging as it barks and shows teeth or is it just up or just down.

    Further considering this likely has never happened before the owner would have no clue really as to how that dog might behave under this circumstance.
    For that matter neither would the dog! But being a _dog_ it's instinct would be to at the very least bark if not growl upon being concerned/afraid or _jumped_ by strangers at it's own den.

    The follow on result form all this is very easily predictable, and as stated in this article very much believable and reasonable a final response.
    Next time this lady wants to make a quick run out without her new dog, she might think to either leave it inside or leave locked outside with a dog specific shelter for it to take refuge from the heat...Or to not activate her home alarm.

    To my view as based on this info the cops get a pass and are justified in shooting the dog, by result of negative circumstances setup by the homeowner.

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    Just because something is accepted as reasonable, does not mean that it could not have been handled better.

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    I think people give dogs way too much credit and interpret aggressive posturing for true aggression. They've been around us for hundreds of years and we still don't get. This and the fact that shooting a dog carrys little to no lawful consequences for leo or civilians, makes them easy targets.

    These cops could have sprayed or tasered this dog and gone about their business but instead, they shoot it three times. Makes no sense to me.
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    I live a fairly sheltered life and don't have the experience of some of our more senior members, but I've never heard of a dog commiting a burglary or home invasion.

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