First Aid Kit at gun club

First Aid Kit at gun club

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    I hosted a CPR class at our local gun club today to teach some of the guys CPR and the use of an automatic external defibrillator. When we were finished with the class, we looked through our first aid kit, which consisted of band aids and neosporin. A suggestion was made for me to look into a good first aid kit, one that could stop bleeding in case of an accidental shooting... God forbid.

    With a little research i found the Quick Clot products... but was wondering what else would you suggest? any idea welcomed. Thanks. Bunker


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    My favorite is the thin tampons......really.

    That just begs to be googled......I couldn't make that up if I tried.

    Bravo Zulu on teaching CPR AND teaching the AED's! I believe those AED's are life savers and more of 'em with trained people to handle 'em is a GREAT thing!
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    I would put in some sort of heavy duty dressings (I like the ones the Army uses for short term), and Gloves.
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    Gloves, Different size dressings, rolled gauze, medical tape, triangle bandages, bandaids in assorted sizes (probably the most used), CPR mask, alcohol wipes. Most importantly learn how to use it. As far as meds, most hospitals do not like it when you administer medication to someone going to the ER. Just a thought. There are some more technical things that would be nice, but without training they would be useless.

    Actually this is not a bad basic kit. Some of the stuff is unneeded.

    http://www.ready.gov/america/getakit/firstaidkit.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    My favorite is the thin tampons......really.

    That just begs to be googled......I couldn't make that up if I tried.

    Bravo Zulu on teaching CPR AND teaching the AED's! I believe those AED's are life savers and more of 'em with trained people to handle 'em is a GREAT thing!
    HMmmm, maxi pads as wound care??? that might work, and would be inexpensive... wouldnt expire, but am wondering if they could handle a large shotgun wound or not? I have checked out some websites from previous first aid threads, and think i can just order what i need. Bunker

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    My favorite is the thin tampons......really.

    That just begs to be googled......I couldn't make that up if I tried.

    Bravo Zulu on teaching CPR AND teaching the AED's! I believe those AED's are life savers and more of 'em with trained people to handle 'em is a GREAT thing!
    I did not teach class, but brought in a nurse friend who is certified CPR trainer from the American Heart Association. thanks, i hope it saves lives. bunker

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    Skip the quick clot. For stateside use where there is a relatively quick response time, some hemostatic gauze, and good packing gauze/bandages would be a better choice. Quik Clot causes a lot of scar tissue, and you still need to pack it into the wound, you can't just pour it on the surface.

    Stopping the bleeding would be the major concern for most gunshot wounds, and direct pressure can do that. So, I say good bandages should be on the top of your list, also, an inclusive dressing for chest wounds might be a good idea.
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    Response time is relative. Even the best urban systems get overloaded. There are other QuickClot type products available. Opinion sways to and fro on which is the best.

    You can buy a decent FA kit from a company like Galls (www.galls.com) that is a good general kit. Nothing wrong with bandaids and Neosporin but they are not for GSWs.

    Or you can stock your own and make it a custom GSW kit. Get a couple CATs (Combat Application Tourniquet) and learn when and how to use them, a couple tampons, a box of heavy menstrual flow pads, a few sets of exam gloves in medium and XL, Ace wrap for making pressure dressings, a small jar of petroleum gauze to smear on the pads to make occlusive dressings for sucking chest wounds, assorted tape, a few white hand towels.

    For the BOO BOO kit add a bottle of 81mg baby aspirin (if someone looks like they're having the BIG ONE have them chew a mouthful / OK our EMS protocol is for 4 but I heard a cardiologist say he'd chew a mouthful).

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    Yeah, thats right, occlusive dressing, not inclusive... Sorry about that.

    The Quik Clot granules, are what I was referring to. The military doesn't use it anymore, my understanding is that its because of all the scar tissue it causes, and complications. Also, it was only really useable on the extremeties. This stuff: http://www.botachtactical.com/zqucoga.html Which is the Quik clot infused combat gauze, seems to be a lot more versatile, and is much preferred these days.

    The Nato tourniquets are better than the CAT tourniquets, but the CAT ones will do the job too, they just break a little easier because they are plastic, and not metal. But I have seen CAT tourniquets save lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    My favorite is the thin tampons......really.

    That just begs to be googled......I couldn't make that up if I tried.

    Bravo Zulu on teaching CPR AND teaching the AED's! I believe those AED's are life savers and more of 'em with trained people to handle 'em is a GREAT thing!
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    I always wanted to ask so now is a good time. Could you shove a tampon into a GSW to help stop the flow of blood?

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    what about duct tape in the kit ?

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    General FYI with regard to Quik Clot - Pay particular attention to the expiration dates which are short w/ Quick Clot because it does degrade rather quickly even when storage conditions are good.

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    Yes, the military stopped using it to a large extent due to complications when it got inside the wound cavity. Back to pressure and tourniquets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKinNY View Post
    I always wanted to ask so now is a good time. Could you shove a tampon into a GSW to help stop the flow of blood?
    While it would certainly stop "external bleeding" signs, it probably wouldn't do much for the internal bleeding, which is just a deadly. But again, any help is better than none.
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