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Post By babyhulk
March 24th, 2011 09:34 PM
Makes my blood boil! Vietnam summed up in just a few moments of film!
This little deleted scene from "We were Soldiers" summarized the Wisdom of a Battle Field Commander as opposed to the Blindness of politics and the "expendable" nature of their minds concerning the American Soldier! Westmoreland would gloat in this clip of the dead Vietnamese and then would sweep the Slaughter of Americans and LZ Albany under the Rug!
YouTube - debriefing
Thank God the appreciation for the American Soldier has turned around from the days when they spit on our home coming boys. The politics are still the same!
God bless our Troops!
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March 24th, 2011 09:44 PM
Thank you to all who have served before me. If it wasnt for the sacrifices that had been made by men greater than me, I would be scared for the future of my children.....
Please take my posts with a grain of salt. I am frequently sleep deprived and always just on this side of "Krazy".
When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. Edmund Burke
March 25th, 2011 10:05 AM
Great movie and great book! The author lives near me in Williamsburg Va. One of the people in the actual battle was a friend of my old boss, I asked him if he saw the movie he said “no I was in the original cast”
March 25th, 2011 10:16 PM
i like it/however like the other poster ,i was part of the original cast.
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March 26th, 2011 01:53 PM
I was born a year after the Tet Offensive, but I've NEVER understood why some of our boys were treated with such contempt. I understand the social and policital climate during the late 60's/early 70's BUT to blame and misdirect negative feelings to those who risked their lives In Country is something I"ve never been able to grasp. Whether you agree with the politics or not is irrelevant, the SUPPORT of our fighting boys and girls is ALL that matters.
I personally thnk a guilty conscience was why Hollywood released all of those Vietnam films in the '80's.
I'm indebted to ALL who've served, no matter which war, conflict, or even during peace time.
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March 26th, 2011 02:44 PM
My gunsmith is one of the soldiers that fought & was wounded in that battle. I also have the first custom 1911 (serial number one!) that he built, as well as an AR that he built for me.
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March 26th, 2011 03:05 PM
I entered service in June of 71' and by that time, Col. Moore was then General Moore and Post Commander of Ft. Ord where I was attending Basic. The graduation book rest on my nightstand with my picture scattered throughout. On the back page are four honor graduates and I was actually number one. It wasn’t until later that I recognized that the post commander was the former Col. Moore from this most notable period and event. Ok, that's my personal contribution to this discussion.
For the life of me I can't seem to figure out how to make the photos small enough for DC to accept them for upload. Oh well, one of the days I'll have to buy photoshop.
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March 26th, 2011 06:27 PM
The political and social climate 1964-1975 was very toxic and there was tremendous anger at many different aspects of government and specific officials.
Originally Posted by babyhulk
It is an unfortunate trait of humans that anger does get misdirected, and back then the military was the most visible [and intrusive] manifestation of government in the lives of people.
It is actually good that the anger was directed at the military because that later forced the generals to develop a far more professional military with considerably more respect for its people. That's the silver lining in what happened.
March 27th, 2011 06:44 PM
As one who has "Been there Done that" I believe that the press was the largest enemies we faced. Had it not been for them I truly believe things would have ended much differantly.
I for one will continue to thank the troops of today everytime I see them. Never again will our best return to to what so many of us faced. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS.
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March 27th, 2011 09:03 PM
I was against politicians fighting the war, and not the military. Too many politicians and politics involved. It wasn't the police action they kept trying to portray it as, a war is a friggin war... fight it like one. The very thought of fighting based upon the idea of "attrition", is a very miguided tactic as far as I'm concerned. I was very influenced in that by several Generals and Colonels, who thought only a politician could think that was acceptable.
None of this was the fault of the military or the soldier. The portrayal of soldiers as 'baby killers' and "bad" were to fit the agenda of some of the same progressives that we are now fighting today in America. They still see the military as bad. .... eg. San Fransicso, Princeton, etc.
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March 27th, 2011 09:48 PM
The Communists didn't need to win. They just had to keep from losing. After seeing the American Press' reaction to Tet '68, they figured that out. Our press spun a great battlefield victory into a loss. After that, they knew it was just a matter of time.
The great shame is that it WAS a "good" war. After we shamefully turned our backs on South Vietnam in 1975, you saw what happened in SE Asia...the slaughter in South Vietnam, and Cambodia.
Thanks to all who served there.
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March 29th, 2011 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by garyacman
Thank you for your service.
For freedom is never free someone else just picks up tab.
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March 30th, 2011 06:41 PM
Everyone should read Joe Galloway's Vietnam Story.
My brother was a Sgt. in the weapons platoon of Company C, 2/7 Cav. He was killed at Ia Drang. The commander of 2/7 Cav, Col. McDade, was the polar opposite of Col. Moore and Col. Tully of the 2/5 Cav. McDade made some serious mistakes on that fateful day. This was most likely McDade's worst mistake:
Tully, an experienced commander, marched his men out of X-Ray the same way they had arrived: Two companies abreast with artillery fire pounding the brush ahead of them. In less than 2 hours, his men covered the 2 ½ miles to Landing Zone Columbus.
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As Tully, who had left first, neared his objective at Landing Zone Columbus, he radioed McDade and offered to have his artillery specialist relay the correct coordinates to McDade's artillery man so that McDade's men would have the same protection on the way out of X-Ray. McDade said it wasn't necessary and moved out.
March 31st, 2011 01:53 AM
I was a Military brat until 74,I enlisted in 76,worst thing I ever remember was having the loudspeaker ask classmates to report to the Office,and later finding out that they got news that their dad was KIA
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