Social Ills and why we carry

Social Ills and why we carry

This is a discussion on Social Ills and why we carry within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Some co-workers and I were discussing some recent news stories in our area that highlight many of the reasons we carry (home invasions, armed robberies, ...

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    Social Ills and why we carry

    Some co-workers and I were discussing some recent news stories in our area that highlight many of the reasons we carry (home invasions, armed robberies, etc.) and we had a somewhat philosophical discussion on the current social ills and what the driving force behind the increasing decline of society.

    It became somewhat of a root cause analysis as we discussed various elements that we believe are contributing to the increase in crime and criminals, such as socio-economic issues and the widening gaps, the loss of the family unit, etc. As we discussed specific situations of people we know (mostly family members who have been down many of these paths) one common theme kept popping up as a consistent root cause of many of these situations. Drugs.

    It is a shame that we have advanced so far in so many ways in the last 111 years, yet the downfall of our society seems to in such a large way be tied to something as basic and rudementary as drugs. How many people's situations that lead them to crime or criminal histories that keep them in a circle of being unemployable all seem to come back to drugs? In our small sample, almost all of them either directly or indirectly.

    Unfortunately, many of these people are receiving tax supported government subsidies because of situations they created by making bad choices (and continuing to make bad choices) and the tax payers pay for it one way or the other. Ironically, most people who have jobs and work to pay taxes have to pass a drug test to earn money and pay taxes...why shouldn't the people receiving the support not have to pass a drug test to get it? We have to break the cycle somewhere, and that is the only idea we came up with as a starting point. I have a buddy that buys drug tests and tests his "adult" kids. If they ask him for help, then they have to pass the test. If they refuse to take it or fail it, then they are on their own. I say, +1 for him.

    Anyway, I'm sure it is no great surprise or mystery that drugs have directly or indirectly driven many of the social ills that we have to contend with...it just seems like such a waste, so preventable. Yet, no one knows how to fix it.
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    Sure they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Sure they do.

    Get the Liberals and Socialists out of Government.
    Wow! They'd really have to clean house...hope WE do just that!
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    yet the downfall of our society seems to in such a large way be tied to something as basic and rudementary as drugs
    Too much Limbaugh or Fox or whatever in this post. Here in Florida they did a large-scale test of welfare recipients and the percentage of drug users came in around 12 percent. Don't know which drugs, but we're talking 88 percent clean and sober.

    Enacting forced drug screens of all recipients strikes me as not being about drugs, no, it's about control and punishment. The idea is that if you're on the public dole, why, then we ought to be able to humiliate and dick around with you to our heart's content. Just because. It feels good, and it's a way of stomping and smashing on those a little bit further down on the rung of society than you are.

    That's what it's all about, all of this repressive social legislation. And you know what the funny thing is? These same yahoos - these Tea people types, they're always yammering about how we have to get government out of people's lives; yet, given the chance, they go storming into bedrooms, bathrooms, doctors' examining rooms, invading people's most personal and most private spaces.

    How on Earth people can reconcile these opposing ideas is beyond my ken. But if you pressed me, I'd say it has to do with the contented feeling that no matter how miserable you are, you can take pleasure in knowing that you made somebody else's life just a little bit worse.
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    Ever read "Atlas Shrugged"? Even though it was written in the 50s with just a few changes to reflect the current times it'd be spooky prophetic.

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    I dont think its about drugs. I think that its about the same thing that has killed every so called "advanced" society since before the Egyptians started piling rocks on top of each other and making them into Pyramids.

    It's immorality and it is rampant in our society. Things that were totally unacceptable 30 years ago are called normal today. Each generation gets deeper and deeper into calling right wrong and wrong right, and they fail to realize that at some point in the future everything that they know will collapse for one reason or another. Every thing has a consequence whether they beleive it or not.
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    make the drugs legal and make a gazillion $$$$$$$$$$ on the taxes next make people responsible for their actions, don't want to work, don't eat, see how that works for ya, if you are a bad guy you go to prison for a really long time and while you are there you will be doing some sort of job that is productive, make getting a divorce a lot lot harder and something to not be proud of, if there are kids involved you are going pay your child support and it's gonna hurt a bit, get God back into schools, let kids fail, if you don't win, you don't get a trophy, if they need a butt whippin, give them one and then they get one when dad gets home too and my last suggestion would be to do away with all the politically correctness, i say this would be a good start

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    Social ills or not, there will always be criminal A-holes and dings. That's why I carry.
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    Corporate immorality driven by greed is a far greater danger to society than drugs. Greed has caused corporations taking jobs overseas or relocating in other countries for tax benefits. All about profit. Some were greedy union workers who wanted more pay and forced corporations to look at other labor markets leaving them with no job at all.

    Greed is like a plague.

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    Abusive drug usage is not a social ill itself to be fought with. It's a sign of something going terribly wrong.
    People don't do drugs when they are happy, they do drugs when they have nothing to live for (already have anything, or don't see ways to live better) or when they are devoured with a single activity and can take no rest.
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    Drugs are just a symptom of another problem. The real cause is multi-fold. Hopelessness, and anonymity of people in this day in age, combined with entitlement mentality and black markets created by our cruel system of laws all contribute to the large number of criminals we have today.

    In addition, the revolving door of justice means people get put out on the street who shouldn't be there. People who actually want to start over after serving their time can't, because we've created a second class of citizens what with our background checks and policies of not giving felons any jobs. But who can blame them? That felon could still be up to no good, since the prison system releases people who shouldn't be released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    Social ills or not, there will always be criminal A-holes and dings. That's why I carry.
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    Wow, this post is just full of misinformation, selective memory, and revisionist history I don't know where to start.

    Human nature has not changed. People are just as much today what they were 10,000 years ago. Just because we have fancy technology and know more about the world doesn't mean we aren't as apt to rape, assault, and kill today as we were when we were roaming the continents. All of these comments about the older generation being "this" and the new generation being "that" is pure crap.


    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    It became somewhat of a root cause analysis as we discussed various elements that we believe are contributing to the increase in crime and criminals
    What is this increase in crime and criminals you speak of? Violent crime in the US has been trending downward for decades.

    And blaming it on the use of drugs is laughable at best. Human civilizations have been using drugs FOREVER yet society has advanced just fine.


    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    It's immorality and it is rampant in our society. Things that were totally unacceptable 30 years ago are called normal today. Each generation gets deeper and deeper into calling right wrong and wrong right, and they fail to realize that at some point in the future everything that they know will collapse for one reason or another. Every thing has a consequence whether they beleive it or not.
    Really? The older generations had their morals on track? Was that the generation that enslaved and repressed the blacks? Or the one that almost made buffalo extinct? Or the one that wouldn't let women vote and kept them in submissive roles?

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    Lots of interesting perspectives. In the small non-representative sample of co-workers talking about members of our own families that have struggled with these issues and lead down the path of criminality the common theme was drugs. And these were not people that came from down-trodden beginnings or broken homes. They came out of middle class two-parent homes where the parents worked hard at good jobs. Granted, this is not a statistical sample. We all had family members now with criminal backgrounds that no one will hire and are stuck on the perpetual cycle of assistance and continuing to do the things that got them to this point to begin with. The question in my mind is how do you stop the cycle? How do you prevent people from going down this dead-end path?

    I would venture to say that a significant amount of crime is related to drugs, but that is just anecdotal and not based on any statistical source. It just seems totally senseless to me, but I don't have the answer either.

    I really did not intend for this to be a political issue.
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