Obama wants execution stopped.....

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    I understand the desire for retribution, but executing a foreign national (no matter how despicable) who was denied a right that we are afforded when traveling abroad (the right to speak to our Consulate if arrested) is quite shortsighted. It is a great way to ensure that Americans are denied that right in foreign nations in the future and has nothing to do with any views on the death penalty itself.
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    [RANT]
    I will not go to Mexico because it is a third world country, among other reasons. Mexico will always have a larger interest in any agreements with the U.S.

    Close the border, & jack this guy up. Good riddance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Ha...
    President Obama is asking the Supreme Court to stay tomorrow's planned execution of a Mexican citizen in Texas, arguing it could do "irreparable harm" to U.S. interests abroad.

    Talk about doing irreparable harm to U.S. interests...
    Uh huh, right.... what BS.
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    Here's an idea. Send the POS back to Mexico. Shoot anyone who crosses the border illegally.

    Problems solved.
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    In 1994, Humberto Leal Garcia Jr. was convicted of rape and murder and sentenced to death.
    He has already lived at least 15 years too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    Uh huh, right.... what BS.
    Come on. He is doing exactly what the Bush administration did. The issue at hand absolutely deserves some additional legal scrutiny from The Supremes. We can't have each state doing its own thing without regard to treaties entered into by the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Come on. He is doing exactly what the Bush administration did. The issue at absolutely deserves some additional legal scrutiny from The Supremes. We can't have each state doing its own thing without regard to treaties entered into by the USA.
    Perhaps the Fed. shouldn't enter into treaties without a majority of States agreeing. When a Constitutional Amendment is passed it must be ratified (approved) by a 2/3 majority of States. Why should treaties with foreign nations be taken any less lightly?

    Good for Texas, and God Bless Governor Rick Perry, you've got a Governor with some guts, support him!

    The man in question is a murderer and rapist, regardless where he is from. Give him what the law prescribes. If an American goes to Mexico and rapes and murders someone, they can, could and would execute him. Why would we (Americans) be held to a higher standard?

    It is about time a Governor/State somewhere in this nation stood up to the current Adminstration and told them to "go pound salt"
    Enough is enough!

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    Heaven forbid that the United Nations won't approve of something that is done in the US... Wouldn't want to offend Ahmadinejad or the likes...

    Seriously, I wish we would get the UN off of our soil. What a worthless organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stubborn View Post
    Perhaps the Fed. shouldn't enter into treaties without a majority of States agreeing.
    What you want is an amendment to our constitution regarding ratification of treaties. That is a fair enough desire on your part, but the meantime we have the legal system we have, not the legal system Texas wants to pretend we have.

    It does take 2/3 vote of the US Senate to ratify a treaty.

    The issue at hand is NOT a partisan one and should not be turned to one. Any President would be compelled to take exactly the same position in the courts, that treaties must be adhered to by the states.
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    Hope and change = same old same old. Bottom line is Perry won't back down and the supremes will probably not look at the case seeing that Obama publicly humiliated them by questioning one of their decisions. Kiss this waste of oxygen goodbye.
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    Then Obama should call Felipe Calderón and then Felipe Calderón should get on the TV saying Mexico will not defend or tolerate it's citizens that commit such horrible acts of violence and it grants the US permission to put the dog down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Ha...
    President Obama is asking the Supreme Court to stay tomorrow's planned execution of a Mexican citizen in Texas, arguing it could do "irreparable harm" to U.S. interests abroad.

    Talk about doing irreparable harm to U.S. interests...
    Yup, you beat me to it sir... I was thinking the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Nice change of subject AZC, but no, you know which treaty because it is specified in the story in post 1.

    Our Supremes erred in 2008, when they ruled against President Bush in a related case.

    This isn't and should not be a partisan matter. No President of the USA, from either party, can stand by and allow a state government to violate a treaty to which the US is a party. Doing so upends the ability of The State Department to conduct foreign affairs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Hope and change = same old same old. Bottom line is Perry won't back down and the supremes will probably not look at the case seeing that Obama publicly humiliated them by questioning one of their decisions. Kiss this waste of oxygen goodbye.
    That isn't the rule of law. That is the rule of "I'm feeling insulted so to heck with the law."

    We ought not to applaud the bad acts of a single governor simply because we want revenge.

    The issue of Federal supremacy is far more important than what happens to the murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErnieNWillis View Post
    This is Texas Hoppy. We do things our own way.
    Uh, so you applaud ignoring our constitution? No state can do things its own way. We are no longer living in 1859.
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