My city lying about recycling?
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August 5th, 2011 11:50 AM
Just to add a point of order here: Oil is not scarce. It is one of the most abundant resources here on earth. It is only because most of the worlds EASILY ACCESSIBLE oil is controlled by a bunch of crazy West hating Muslims that it is expensive.
Our oil costs more to get to than theirs so it is not profitable YET to go get it.
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August 5th, 2011 11:51 AM
Yes, this has been going on forever. I thought everyone knew that this went on regularly?? Unless you have a local recycle center that recycles the pickup materials, with dedicated recycle trucks, the waste is going to the landfill.
I'm utterly SHOCKED by this outcome.
August 5th, 2011 11:56 AM
Just a quick point, LCD TVs use less energy than CRT TVs. Otherwise, good points. My wife and I would like to figure out a way to economically recycle. We have one TV. We air-dry our clothes. We pack things with newspaper and re-use old boxes for storage. Neither of us likes running on treadmills; real ground is the winner. We mostly drink water, which we filter through a Brita pitcher and drink from Nalgene bottles rather than buying bottled.
Originally Posted by OD*
Some of us know how to do our small part.
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August 5th, 2011 12:25 PM
It's more BS politics as usual. We go to Iraq with a bunch of gas guzzling tanks that get only 5 gallons to the mile (that's correct, not 5 miles to the gallon). Do we even think about topping off at an Iraq pump, Nope. We get to spend a Trillion to blow them up and then rebuild everything and they get to keep all the oil. Defense spending keeps the crooks in Washington employed.
Originally Posted by atctimmy
If you understand, things are just as they are... If you do not understand, things are just as they are....
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August 5th, 2011 12:31 PM
...or "Green" vehicles and batteries that take more energy to produce than they will ever save throughout their life times.
Originally Posted by WHEC724
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August 5th, 2011 01:00 PM
Hey, I refill my pens, replace my razor blades, walk up stairs, use old newspaper for packing, and even use a push mower on occasion. I also have a 50 inch TV and a 340 HP, gas guzzling truck.
Originally Posted by OD*
I'm not one to fall for all the "green" crap. The only thing I've ever recycled is aluminum and copper. I personally believe more energy is wasted in recycling than it's worth. In the words of Toby Keith, "Funny how the world keeps turnin'."
As for the OP, the main issue I can think of for that to happen would be that people weren't putting just recyclables in there. I have a solution to that! Enact recycling licenses!
August 5th, 2011 01:40 PM
I believe most of the recycling is a HOAX and heavily Govt subsidised. It gives people something to feel good about without accomplishing anything.
Aluminum is the only commonly used product that is efficiently recycled. There are too many different types of plastics for them to be sorted and cost effectively recycled.
I've got friends that think that their water bottles (.5 liter ) are being refilled. Wake up people!!
A few years back in Calif, i took a truckload of jumk to the local dump. Alongside of me pulls up the green recycling truck and proceeds to dump its entire load of plastic bottles next to my junk. There's recycling for you.
Note: I believe in recycling to the extent that the technology exists to make useful products out of all our plastic bottles, BUT we are not there yet.
I would be shocked if 5% of the plastic that goes into the recycle bins gets recycled, and I welcome any data that supports it.
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August 5th, 2011 03:28 PM
Yes, and I'm one of them.
Originally Posted by adric22
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for reducing waste in landfills, so recycling is a good thing.
The Prius thing went back a few years where some researcher worked up the carbon footprint of a Prius compared to a H2 Hummer, over it's manufacture and lifetime. It has to do with the batteries. The minerals are mined in some god forsaken place using a great deal of energy, then shipped to China where they are made into batteries in some factory belching smoke, then shipped to Japan where the car is assembled, then shipped to the US for someone to buy and feel good about not polluting the planet. In the long run, the Hummer produced less carbon emissions.
Same with electric cars. I can't tell you how many people tell me they'd love an electric car because it produces no pollution. I remind them it's really a coal powered vehicle, since it has to be recharged by a coal fired power plant most likely. They look at me like I'm crazy, "No. I'd just plug it into my house." Oh, boy!
Note: I'd never own a Hummer, and I've ridden in a Prius and it's not a bad little car. (back seat is for kids)
Only because our president doesn't want us using our oil that is easy to get. Gulf of Mexico, Anwar.
Originally Posted by atctimmy
He could make the price of oil drop $1 tomorrow, just announce he's lifting the ban on drilling.*
Bush did it. Remember $2 gas?
*Technically, he did, but the dirty little secret is that he then didn't allow any permits to drill.
August 5th, 2011 04:03 PM
Lol...wait a minute... You mean to tell us that the globe, that's covered by 75% ocean(which has SAND for a bottom), can't possibly run out of sand? Say it ain't so....
Originally Posted by Sig35seven
August 5th, 2011 04:06 PM
That's smarts right there...
Originally Posted by SIGP250
August 7th, 2011 01:05 PM
Recycling requires an additional truck to pick up just those special items. The energy of transporting the products (oil) the electric energy(coal) used in the factories and the water polluted in the process all add up. It takes MUCH less energy to produce the product brand new. You are NOT saving sand by recycling bottles and trees are now managed to produce paper products. I do however agree on the recycling of bulk metals like autos, copper, aluminium etc.
Originally Posted by bbqgrill
As far as plastic recycling... People don't need to walk around with all these plasic water bottles but it's become very trendy thing to do. When did it become so important to have water everywhere you go? We live in a throw away society and people are the ones at fault. The process of plastic recycling is also very energy demanding and new products are produced far more efficiently.
The Prius is energy consuming from cradle to grave. The Volkwagon Jetta uses a Turbo Diesel Injection technology that gets almost as good a gas mileage as the Prius WITHOUT the use of batteries. (over 50 MPG hiway) You'd do a far greater service to your planet if you got rid of at least one of your large trucks and replace it with a Jetta and forget about recycycling little water bottles or news papers. Land fills are another false claim. There is plenty of space for land fills and they are managed quite well these days and are really not a problem.
"Confidence is food for the wise man but liquor for the fool"
August 7th, 2011 01:21 PM
big dirty here--they mine the nickle for the battery in Canada and than haul the ore to a dock(a truck that burns diesel) and than by desiel powered ore carried to china to be refined--(off the ore carrier on to the dock than on to a truck to a plant-- i am sure a modern factory with the best air scrubbers and waste re-cumulation equipment to than make a battery that gets transported (trucks burning desial again) to a dock and taken back to America on another large desiel ship and transported by truck to a manufacturing plant where it is put in a vehicle. the components of the battery have more mileage on them than the car ever will. and the battery is good for 6 to 8 years and than needs to be replaced---and disassembled and rendered safe to the environment.
Originally Posted by bbqgrill
just love those that think their Prius is saving the planet--rather,....they are helping to save their little part of it.
eyes wide shut
sorry--forgot about all the miners who commute in their fossile burning vehicals to get to the mines that than need the HUGE equipment; usually run on electric so the mine needs its own electric generation station to operate.....it most likely uses coal to power the generators. the Chinese are rice & dung powered as are their plants--but we all know that 3 georges powers ALL of China, so...
i will later look for the artical that i remember these 'facts' from. bottom line was a prius was 2.8 times dirter overall in its life span than a 'regular' vehical.
but how has it ever been that a lemming turns it path due to knowledge.
You plug 'em, I plant 'em
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August 7th, 2011 02:44 PM
Claude, just to be clear, I know, and agree with your post; don't lump me in with them.
Originally Posted by claude clay
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August 7th, 2011 04:22 PM
The BIG Picture........
Human beings have only existed on Planet Earth for the blink of an eye compared to the actual age of the Earth.
In the future - volcanoes will erupt - continents will shift - islands will disappear & new ones will be born - earthquakes will happen - huge meteors & comets will hit the Earth - new mountains will be formed - entire existing mountains will crumble to dust and wash into the sea - rivers will change course - seas will dry up and become salt flats - new seas and oceans will form - forests will die & be born - existing life forms will die off - entire new species will evolve - all plastic will deteriorate - all metal will rust - even Stainless Steel will eventually deteriorate into Nickel & Chromium & Iron Oxide - Aluminum cans will completely oxidize into white powder - newspaper will mold and mildew become new plant life - peat bogs will form as plant life dies - the magnetic North & South poles will shift again as has happened thousands of times in the past - there will sporadic ice ages lasting for thousands of years - CO2 levels will increase again to 500 times the present level as it has also done in the distant past - wood will petrify - new diamonds and minerals will come to the surface - the entire sea floor will end up becoming molten rock again as it is slowly pushed under the crust the Earth will be here when the great pyramids are no more.
Think about it...all of the water you drink today was once pissed out of millions of years of dinosaurs.
The Earth constantly recycles itself.
Not one single trace of our garbage will remain a million years from now and the Earth will keep plodding on.
August 7th, 2011 04:40 PM
Keep up the fight adric22. Don't let the naysayers have their way with your resolve. Do what you feel is right.
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