August 15th, 2011 10:54 PM
I would have loved an pepper spray grenade to have been thrown into that group. I"ve been thinking of a reason to buy one of those.... I think I have my reason.
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August 16th, 2011 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by ntkb
Looks like we have 57 people signed up for our ballistics testing. Beats waiting good ballistic gellatin to set up.
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August 16th, 2011 07:52 AM
You may be too young to have heard of it, but there's a group called the Ku Klux Klan that is still alive and well down here in the south. They just held a rally in a nearby town last year.
Originally Posted by Spidey2011
The point to my race-neutral efforts on this thread was to keep racial bias out of it, in the spirit of focusing on a new trend of flash mobs and how we can plan accordingly.
Racism is one of the oldest and ugliest forms of hatred on the planet. It's simply an excuse to hate, and if you take that away, the criminal will find another reason. I'm not so naive to think that it will go away, but it does disgust me, hence I give it as little credibility as possible.
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August 16th, 2011 07:57 AM
If you're afraid to see it for what it is, or try to ignore it, you're only part of the problem by looking the other way.
August 16th, 2011 08:09 AM
You are right. The mayor of Philadelphia would probably agree with you.
Originally Posted by Thunder71
In a combative speech on Sunday at Mount Carmel Baptist Church in Philadelphia, Mayor Nutter said that young black men have to stop acting like "sperm donors" and "human ATMs." He admonished parents for failing to supervise and expect good behavior from their children. And he directly implicated habits and styles of some young black men in the city.
"If you walk into somebody's office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied and your pants half-down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won't hire you?" Nutter told the congregation "They don't hire you 'cause you look like you're crazy. You have damaged your own race."
"I am a proud black man in this country," Nutter said in a subsequent interview with the Associated Press. "It was a message that needed to be said. It needed to be said at this time . . . People have had enough of this nonsense, black and white."
Philadelphia 'flash mobs': black mayor takes aim at black community - CSMonitor.com
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August 16th, 2011 10:08 AM
I don't equate statistics with racism. If there are no known cases of white flash mobs then we can mathematically say it is a problem with the black communities. While the color of their skin may not be the direct reason for the flash mobs, it can't be refuted that they were all black. For example, I can say that blacks are generally better basketball players than whites. Does that mean I'm being racist against white-people like myself? No, I'm just calling it as it is. While I very much believe in equal rights for all, I do not believe all people are created equal, even people of the same race and gender. Everyone is different from each other.
Originally Posted by WHEC724
As to the flash mob problem. I agree that pepper spray would be an excellent way of dealing with these scumbags. If you manage to incapacitate and blind a bunch of them, they'll probably still be there when the cops arrive.
Now the real question is, if this type of thing happened in Texas, where our castle doctrine says we can shoot people over property, would that apply to candy bars? One candy bar may not seem like a lot, but being the number of items stolen I wouldn't be surprised to hear the store lost several hundred Dollars. Being that these types of stores are not high profit stores to begin with, that is a big it for the store owner.
If I were a parent and saw my child in the surveillance video, they would be severely punished. I hope some of those scumbag's parents saw them on TV.
A lot of people around here don't like talking about warning shots. But I wonder if a pump action shotgun with some kind of blank being fired off would get their attention. I bet they'd be falling all over each other trying to get out of the store.
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August 16th, 2011 10:28 AM
If I were a parent and saw my child in the surveillance video
on the surround sound wide screen 3-D system he scored for me with his drug money, why I'd want him to get some
copies to send to his cousins at the pen
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August 16th, 2011 11:03 AM
Did anyone see Philly's Mayor on "the tube" or in your local "rag"?????
Until now, I had not seen this article.
Originally Posted by Gene83
If memory serves, Bill Cosby made similar comments a couple years ago and I don't think they were well-received in the black community.
But if Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson makes any sort of public statement, the media is all over it.
August 16th, 2011 12:38 PM
Soon, if they're smart, 7-11s will be like jewelry stores, with an option to buzz you in, one or two at a time, the clerk behind a shield, or something along those lines. You can't stop it but you can take steps to prevent it.
These flash a-holes will ruin it for the rest of us. Cameras at each entrance, metal detectors, auto-locking doors and bullet resistant glass.
August 16th, 2011 04:24 PM
That may very well be true, but not counting their disgusting calls for lynching anyone not white, what else did that KKK rally accomplish? Did this mass of racist, old, southern, white men rampage the city they held their rally in? Did they knock over the local 711 in mass? Did they burn down other nearby businesses while screaming for a free handout? I doubt it.
Originally Posted by WHEC724
I think, given the racial implications already listed in this thread, there is a better explanation of the racial aspect of the recent violent "flash" mobs in the US here:
Social Degeneration by Thomas Sowell
It's a column on the recent flash mob mentality in Philly, Denver, Chicago, and Milwaukee and others by Thomas Sowell, a well respected and BLACK economist.
Personally, I suspect if we can get rid of the baiting mouthpieces like Sharpton, Jackson, etc... and successfully kill most of the "social" programs to last for at least one full generation, we'd have a lot less of these problems, but I also live in the real world unfortunately where I'm outnumbered and surrounded by moochers and looters 1,000,000 to 1.
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August 16th, 2011 05:39 PM
Much as I love the Instant Karma aspect of the pepper grenade, I'll admit there are some problems with the idea. I have to question its legality in many places. There is also the probability of contamination of just about everything in the store which brings up insurance issues; would the insurers pay off?
What we have here are two separate problems:
1) How to protect the clerks, and
2) How to dissuade bad people without harming ourselves in the process.
For #1, it seems Guantes' idea of electrically locking doors & windows with impact-resistant film on them along with a safe-room for the clerks seems the surest and safest, although I wouldn't want to be trapped in there without my equalizer. Also, there could be problems with illegally detaining the perps by locking them in over what amounts to a misdemeanor. The thing to do would be keep the doors unlocked until all perps have left the scene. This would require the ability to monitor from the safe-room.
#2) Well, now, that is a social problem that we're still working on.
August 16th, 2011 05:49 PM
I think it would not be that hard to show the intent of the mob, on entry, was theft, which would shift the charge from petty theft (Misdmeanor) to burglary (Felony).
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August 16th, 2011 06:53 PM
Given that the US Attorney General has publically stated that members of a certain group would not be charged if they commit crimes against members of another group - what do you expect to happen? We are reaping what he has sown. Of course, if you disagree with his policies, or those of his boss - you are called a racist.
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August 16th, 2011 07:36 PM
Rule of law....Is anyone here ready for a break down. Really ready. What if you are face with the decision to shoot a police officer. Are you willing to make that choice in the name of freedom. We all think we know how its going to play out, but have we made it clear in our own minds what we would do if it really happened. Ponder that for a moment.
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August 16th, 2011 07:47 PM
If you have to shoot a police officer then that would make you part of the problem, wouldnt it?
Rule of law....Is anyone here ready for a break down. Really ready. What if you are face with the decision to shoot a police officer. Are you willing to make that choice in the name of freedom.
No one has a clue how it will play out. You are kidding yourself if you think you do. They are too many factors to consider.
We all think we know how its going to play out, but have we made it clear in our own minds what we would do if it really happened.
Ponder that for a moment.
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