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Is our democracy doomed?

This is a discussion on Is our democracy doomed? within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by WHEC724 You're a politician, aren't you? See second part of my post. Uh, just an old fool. Does that make me a ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    You're a politician, aren't you? See second part of my post.
    Uh, just an old fool. Does that make me a politician?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Uh, just an old fool. Does that make me a politician?
    You're no fool, Hopy. We don't agree often, but that's okay.
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    So again I ask. We all have ideas as to what should happen or what should not have happened to get us here. My question now is what do you think is going to happen, given our current unsustainable direction both politically and economically. With the huge influx or retries getting out of the workforce and going on the SS dole it surly won't be long before we find out.

    BTW Democracy, Constitutional Republic, etc are just parsing of words. When we gave all the right to vote we moved to a democratic form of government if only in the way we select our leaders. which of course defines direction. The main difference between a true democracy and a republic is that in a republic laws are supposed to be created to protect the minorities as opposed to all rules being created to make the majority happy. With the majority no longer contributing (tax wise) to the finances of government who are the minorities now? With millions retiring soon who will be the minorities in the future. Where will this take our form of government?
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    hence the "tea party". an awakening of the contributing masses, silent majority, conservatives from many diverse back grounds. get involved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    So again I ask. We all have ideas as to what should happen or what should not have happened to get us here. My question now is what do you think is going to happen, given our current unsustainable direction both politically and economically. With the huge influx or retries getting out of the workforce and going on the SS dole it surly won't be long before we find out.
    To answer your question... I am going to continue to live my life and enjoy it and not worry about the inevitable and when it affects me I will adapt and overcome as I always have without being a worry wart about it.
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    Maybe this true. Alexander Tyler in 1787 said, "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." We've let the career politicians sell too many people on the idea of a gift from our treasury so they can secure their job.

    Only 22 democratic governments have existed for over 50 years in the world's history (from Miracle of Freedom by the Stewart brothers) We have 230+ years and I hope it can survive.

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    We are not a democracy we are a republic!!!!

    Republic vs. Democracy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    So again I ask. We all have ideas as to what should happen or what should not have happened to get us here. My question now is what do you think is going to happen, given our current unsustainable direction both politically and economically.
    Might it be that the premise is not correct at all?

    You know if you go to a library and look at Time and Newsweek magazines from the 1960s (to pick an arbitrary starting point) on forward, or look at NYTimes newspaper stories and editorials again over several decades of time, you might find that everyone in each era thought there were intractable problems and we were doomed.

    We were called, "the sick society," at one point. We were certain we would be destroyed by nuclear calamity. Influx of Japanese investment was going to do us in. It was said they were about to own us.

    Guess what, if you sit down with these old magazines and read them, most of the stories are hilarious when looked at from our present vantage point. Many of our worries were utterly fanciful.

    We have our problems and always will. Big deal. That's life.
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    We will continue despite ourselves, we will continue to stagger along and adapt, we will survive in the world, and continue in one form or another of our Republic. We are still one of the largest, most successful economies in the world, we are still a magnet for those seeking a life free of discrimination and tyranny and other ills, and we will be so for the foreseeable future. We will change in some minor fashions? Probably yes, but I would argue the changes to be minor in the grand scheme, that is, on a national scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Uh, just an old fool. Does that make me a politician?
    IMO, being a fool doesn't make one a politician, but the reverse is all too often true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I'm afraid that is one of those easy answers which seem to make sense but can't possibly work. As I've mentioned elsewhere, we live in an exceedingly complex world. It takes time to gain the experience needed to be able to make sensible legislation. One reason both Houses of Congress have so many committees is that complex issues must be dealt with by folks who specialize in those issues. Would you really want an inexperienced person who is going to serve only one term trying to oversee the CIA or NSA?
    But we have that now as the directors of most of the alphabet agencies are political appointees, who report to other political appointees or directly to a person that can't be elected to their office more than twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    We are not a democracy we are a republic!!!!

    Republic vs. Democracy
    You are half right:)

    WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY.

    However we have allowed this country to turn into a Democracy... and I am sorry Maverick, but a Constitutional Republic and Democracy are not a parsng of words, and are much more differant than you suggest in your post...
    This country is slowly but surely turning Socialist, and yet many Americans do not believe that.. But thats the truth,anyone who has spent time overseas, knows that all the countries wonder why Americans are so stupid and dont see that we are turning slowly into a socialist state...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    The problem is that folks who are not impressed with celebrity, don't go into politics. The nature of the job attracts the unqualified.

    IBTL.
    True that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Might it be that the premise is not correct at all?

    You know if you go to a library and look at Time and Newsweek magazines from the 1960s (to pick an arbitrary starting point) on forward, or look at NYTimes newspaper stories and editorials again over several decades of time, you might find that everyone in each era thought there were intractable problems and we were doomed.

    We were called, "the sick society," at one point. We were certain we would be destroyed by nuclear calamity. Influx of Japanese investment was going to do us in. It was said they were about to own us.

    Guess what, if you sit down with these old magazines and read them, most of the stories are hilarious when looked at from our present vantage point. Many of our worries were utterly fanciful.

    We have our problems and always will. Big deal. That's life.
    So one vote for maybe nothing. A legitimate point of view and possible given history. Or maybe history was right just off in terms of timeline? In any case I'd hope your right but not too confident.

    What I'm personally seeing is more and more disagreements between states and federal control. I'm even seeing break downs in policies within states. Northern vs. Southern California, Wisconsin, just to name a couple. I think that at some point states will begin to ignore federal authority. will not defer to federal court decisions. will maintain their own direction with respect to many issues they feel are critical to their own safety and best interests. Federal Governments will in turn move in to take over but then more states will follow suit and as this moves forward federal government control will become less and less of a factor. With a majority of states no longer deferring to federal control a new type of federal government more in tune to states rights will have to be formed. This could be a slow and even sometimes bloody process but time will tell. This forming of a new federal government would be a hopeful best result. other possibilities much more disastrous could also be in the realm of possibility.
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    The problem is that folks who are not impressed with celebrity, don't go into politics. The nature of the job attracts the unqualified.

    IBTL.

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    True that!


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    +1 in agreement
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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