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    Unhappy California Prisons are Opening Some Cell Doors

    A couple of articles in the news including the Wall Street Journal.

    With Great Britain now the world's most violent developed country, the
    British government has hit upon a way to reduce the number of cases
    before the courts: Police have been instructed to let off with a
    caution, burglars and those who admit responsibility for some 60 other
    crimes ranging from assault and arson, to sex with an underage girl.
    The first article was posted here linking to the article appropriately entitled, Mad Dogs and Englishmen

    The article recounts various anecdotes of criminals who go free while citizens who defend themselves or loved ones get punishment because the British government "takes sole responsibility" for its monopoly on force to protect the law-abiding citizen. The Brits have forgotten their Blackstone (see my sig line).

    Of interest to this post is that Britain is incarcerating fewer offenders, at much shorter sentences, and with early release from the shorter sentences including "violent or sex offenders serving mandatory life sentences who were freed after as little as 15 months".

    Closer to home, the US Supreme Court is directing California to reduce the state prison population.

    Over the next nine months, LA County is to receive from state prisons 8400 early parolees - much more than any other county in California. The county says that $123M from the state to monitor the parolees is not enough.

    Also as a result of the US Supreme Court directive, new sentencing rules send only the most violent criminals to state prison. So about 7500 addtional inmates are populating the county jail in the coming year than under the old rules that led to the US Supreme Court directive to reduce the population of the state prisons. The Los Angeles County jail is the largest jail system in the country and is, itself, under federal review to reduce overcrowding.

    Now, LA County's probation officers have case loads that average 75 parolees. The office says that it has the budget to hire only 25 officers - a quarter of the number it needs this year - while anticipating a need of 400 over the next four years to handle the increase. The county probation office's top executive is resigning.

    I want my 2A

    Might this become a California-bashing thread? I don't think that is constructive.

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    LA is considering billing the state for extra personnel required:

    LOS ANGELES—As state prison parolees began reporting to county authorities around California on Monday, Los Angeles city officials demanded money from the state to monitor the former inmates, warning that crime in the city could rise.
    The plan's biggest test will be in Los Angeles County, which is expected to receive 8,400 parolees over the next nine months—by far the most of any county. Of that number, 4,200 parolees are expected to return to the city of Los Angeles.
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    Thanks, Richard. Good advice.

    Another side of the story is cuts and cutbacks in our police in these tough times.

    Mods - I meant to post this thread in the "In the News" section. Please feel free to move if appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    LA is considering billing the state for extra personnel required:
    Suggestion for LA county sheriff...... Begin issuing CCW permits on a "Shall Issue" basis to citizens who pass a back ground check and who are fingerprinted.
    Nominal fee of $100 per permit would be required.

    Suggestion to California authorities....... ship your hardened inmates to Russia for confinement. As I seem to remember reading the Russian Gulag system had very few escapes.
    If successful with California convicted criminals, other states could follow suit.
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    This has to be especially aggravating to the LEOs; they catch the criminals and lock them up only to have them released to catch all over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgbiker View Post
    Suggestion for LA county sheriff...... Begin issuing CCW permits on a "Shall Issue" basis to citizens who pass a back ground check
    Fixed it...fingerprinting doesn't prevent anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    This has to be especially aggravating to the LEOs; they catch the criminals and lock them up only to have them released to catch all over again.
    Catch and release should only be used in fishing tournaments!
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    There is one way to uphold the SC's mandate to decrease Prison Populations,all Career Criminals with lengthy violent rap sheets will be executed,that should decrease the population immensely
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    Send them all to England, they can get off with a "caution" and not even enter the justice system!
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    If I was California, I wouldn't waste money on new probation officers, I would just buy a whole bunch of one-way bus tickets for the freed felons. Of course that would royally suck for the states on the receiving end.

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    I look for more and more states to reduce their prison population as the economy worsens.

    With less LE on the street and no place to hold BGs life could change in USA it could become very dangerous indeed.
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    I am glad that I left CA when I had the chance.

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    And all the new razor wire FEMA camps sit empty, waiting for the white boxcars carrying people like me. There's a lot of unused space around Fairbanks, AK for a low maintenance tent city, where they can serve out the remainder of their probation.
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