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    The Natl. Safety Council released their "odds of dying" study for the year 2011......

    My attention initially focused on the 'gun' odds, but the whole thing is kinda intresting. The study is broken down on the graph in the link.
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    Thanks for sharing! Sadly more sensationalism over accidential discharge 1/6,309 or assault by firearm 1/306 vs Heart disease 1/6, cancer 1/7, stroke 1/28 and motor vehicle accidents 1/88
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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderBra View Post
    Thanks for sharing! Sadly more sensationalism over accidential discharge 1/6,309 or assault by firearm 1/306 vs Heart disease 1/6, cancer 1/7, stroke 1/28 and motor vehicle accidents 1/88
    ....... or just 'plain-ol' falling down (1 in 171). Go figure.
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    What, no death by Chi-Chi?
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    The bad thing is this number doesn't break out the shootings that are bad guy shooting bad guy, accidental, good guy shooting bad, and bad guy shooting good guy.

    Those are the numbers I'd like to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    The bad thing is this number doesn't break out the shootings that are bad guy shooting bad guy, accidental, good guy shooting bad, and bad guy shooting good guy.

    Those are the numbers I'd like to see.
    I'm pretty sure the folks putting out these statistics do not see the difference. To them the person behind the firearm is irrelevant. It is the weapon itself that is the cause.

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    Look at the top of the page... those are figures from 2007....

    But, I've been using that chart for a couple of years now, when I talk to antis. And explain to them that the odds of dying by handgun assault are about the same as having a reportable house fire... (which is about 1 in 314) And I ask them if they have a fire extinguisher.

    Since dying in a firearms assault can happen everywhere, I carry. No, not a fire extiguisher, a BG extinguisher.
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    They ought to put the odds of "winning the lottery" on that chart for comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arborigine View Post
    They ought to put the odds of "winning the lottery" on that chart for comparison.
    Power Ball odds: 1 in 195,249,054 probably wouldn't even make a period sized dot on that chart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Look at the top of the page... those are figures from 2007....
    WHOooooa.... I didn't catch that! Their most recent study for 2010 just came out, I pulled that graph off their website while skimming the 2010 results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    WHOooooa.... I didn't catch that! Their most recent study for 2010 just came out, I pulled that graph off their website while skimming the 2010 results.
    I would be interested to see how much of a difference between the stats three years would make.
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    well ... our State stats show..... you are 20 X's more likely to be killed as a pedestrian, than riding a motorcycle. And you 200 x's more likely to die on a motorcycle than an ND, and about 10's less likely to be killed by a gun than being a pedestrian. It told me, I'm not "walking" anymore in the evening on the streets... I'll do it on my treadmill.
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    So, what's the difference between Assault by Firearm and Firearms Discharge? I would think fatal Assaults by Firearm would be a subset of fatalities by Firearms Discharge. Yet, they show the lifetime odds of dying from Assaults by Firearm to be higher than from Firearms Discharge. Also, it's interesting that they don't have a category for Assault of all types -- the odds would have to be higher than Assault by Firearm. Either their political bias is showing through, there must be something really, really special about dying by firearm, or their category definitions are screwy. Apparently, you have to pay $100 to find out the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unisaw View Post
    So, what's the difference between Assault by Firearm and Firearms Discharge? I would think fatal Assaults by Firearm would be a subset of fatalities by Firearms Discharge.
    One thing to keep in mind when thinking about these numbers. We're talking about deaths.. So that changes the whole picture. Firearms deaths are 1 in 6,309. So the anti's might say that you wouldn't be any more likely to need a gun to protect yourself than you would be likely to die in an airplane crash. But that number doesn't represent the number of people assaulted, or the number of people shot by a firearm but didn't die, or the number of people stabbed, or the number of people raped, or the number of people beat to a pulp. I've never seen any specific data, but I'd be willing to bet those numbers would be closer to 1 in 50, maybe less.
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    Too bad the anti's don't believe in 'facts'.

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