This is a discussion on The face (and belly) of Occupy within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; 1. It doesn't take ANY courage to modify your appearance in order to please/impress a group of people you're trying to be part of. That's ...
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1. It doesn't take ANY courage to modify your appearance in order to please/impress a group of people you're trying to be part of. That's called conformity, and it doesn't matter how vastly it differs from any traditional "norm".
2. There's absolutely NO way to tell what this "individual" (and I use the term ironically) believes or stands for. The only safe guess is that he hasn't put much thought into it.
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Well, my 2 cents....
How has The U.S.of A. existed for 236 years? Under the Capitalist System. The wealthy were either luckier or smarter or harder working than the average Joe. They, one way or the other, EARNED their wealth.
YOU want the wealth, well come up with a better mousetrap or toil and sweat and save and invest like or forefathers did. Don't come crying to the Big Boys table with your hand out saying "Gimmie, Gimmie".
I'm poorer than many and richer than many, but I did it MYSELF.
It all goes back to personal responsibility.
I am curious what convinced you to think that there is a fixed pot of wealth in an economy. The whole purpose of capitalism is to increase the wealth in the economy by producing things that people want. Your supposition that there is a fixed amount of wealth is perpelxing.Originally Posted by gunsnroses
I don't see going back to a Constitutional form of government, getting rid of all the things the feds do that are not supported by the Consitution, as being a king/serf set-up in any way.
It's the Land of Opportunity, not the Land of Entitlements - Vote America!!!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
You are only paranoid until you are right - then you are a visionary.
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1. Yes. I'm saying let it ALL go. If you can't make it on your own, you lose...and maybe die. It sounds harsh because it is. Evolution is about natural selection and when people who don't or can't produce have (many) more children than those who do, we as a species are screwed. I'll even use MYSELF as an example. I had scoliosis as a child. If it wasn't treated, I'd be dead right now. Because he had insurance, it was and now I'm free to pass that gene on. I know that the physical is only a part of our existence (thank you Stephen Hawking), but it applies to the less intelligent and the lazy as well. If you had no safety net, you'd adapt or die as nature intended.
2. I'm not saying he didn't earn it. I'm saying he earned it by having preferential access to the system. If he makes money for the company, he gets a bonus. If he doesn't, the taxpayers bail him out until he does make money....and then he gets a bonus,but that's beside the point. The point I was trying to make is that, past a certain point, the rich don't contribute as much to the middle and lower class economies as people think. And how well do you think he'd "make" that money without all the people beneath him. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve something...but could he do it in am unsanitary office with no-one to answer the phones? Those people deserve their fair share of the profits too.
3. Seriously? If many corporations had their way they wouldn't spend a nickle on anything that didn't generate profit. I'm not saying they're "evil" but, by nature, they are geared to make as much as they CAN...regardless of consequences. We'd have unsafe products everywhere because safety features cost money. They'd also have enough money to put on a media campaign to brainwash the less intelligent. Have you ever watched a commercial and thought "Well that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen"? That commercial is there because it WORKS. For every intelligent person that sees through the dumb stuff, there are thousands that do things "because I saw it on the TV".
For everyone who wants to make up some story about who the guy in the photo is or is not, what he thinks or does not, please understand what I was trying to say. No matter his reasons, he intentionally dressed himself for his own reasons. He chose to appear in a manner that isn't even close to the societal norm. I don't care if he's making a statement or trying to fit into his group of friends. He expressed himself in his own way, for his own reasons. Just because it doesn't suit you doesn't make it wrong. Trying to make up reasons to justify prejudices, however, is.
I think I should be able to claim my guns as dependents on my taxes. I have to clothe them, feed them, clean them when they get dirty, keep them safe from bad people...
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LOL it almost made me sick, btw new guy here
I don't disagree for a minute that our system needs a little tweaking, corruption has taken its toll. However, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. I think for this discussion to move forward, we need to clarify if we are speaking about individual taxes or corporate taxes.
I still think a flat rate is the way to go, for both corporate and individuals. No fuss, no muss, a flat percentage across the board. For individuals, their 10% (for sake of argument) is taken out of their paycheck right off the top. At the end of the year, the individual can audit the IRS if he feels the need to make sure he did not pay to much. Business taxes would obviously be a little more complicated than that, but essentially the same. They will have the option of paying quarterly or annually, and the tax comes off of net, not gross to avoid double taxation.
That would also come with some serious welfare reforms. A time limit for everyone who does not have a serious/severe physical or mental handicap. Drug testing (at their own expense) for who receive any kind of public assistance.
No more employer funded or government mandated health insurance. We go back to the way it was meant to be, and you will see the free market at work.
No more free pass on illegal immigration. Get caught, you get sent to a work camp to pay off whatever your debt you racked up here. Also, federal prisons would be work camps. No need for able bodied people being punished to lay around and producing nothing.
No more federal funding of a whole lot of programs to long to list here. The money and power will remain where it belongs; with the states. No more holding states hostage with threatening to end funding.
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I still think I have the National Geographic with her on the cover :-o
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I'll say what I said in another thread before. I disagree with pretty much everything they stand for, but you bet your a** I support their right to stand for it.
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Ah, the old misguided belief that people are tricked into buying things they do not want or need as opposed to the reality that companies make things because people want them. Volvo markets cars that are somewhat higher priced because of their alleged superior safety features. John Browning came up with a design that had a unique safety feature that was not mandated by the govenment and has done pretty well in the market place at a higher price partially because of that feature (sold by a corporation). As to other safety features, most exist because the various industries develop voluntary standards (ever hear of ANSI? UL?) and provide many products with a choice of safety devices in their product line to meet consumer demand. There it is, the demand word. Part of supply and demand, the basis of our economy.3. Seriously? If many corporations had their way they wouldn't spend a nickle on anything that didn't generate profit. I'm not saying they're "evil" but, by nature, they are geared to make as much as they CAN...regardless of consequences. We'd have unsafe products everywhere because safety features cost money. They'd also have enough money to put on a media campaign to brainwash the less intelligent. Have you ever watched a commercial and thought "Well that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen"? That commercial is there because it WORKS. For every intelligent person that sees through the dumb stuff, there are thousands that do things "because I saw it on the TV".
As to "brainwashing" the public, if you sell a piece of junk nobody wants you make trick a few into a purchase the first time, but you will not be in the market very long.
Moderators take note-I worked a firearm into the fourth page of a discussion in a firearm forum...
I'd rather be lucky than good any day
There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.
Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.
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I don't make $1.5M a year, but I certainly make a lot more than $35K and have not yet figured out how to pay less than 38%, at least not legally and since I am a law abiding citizen I will pay my taxes legally. I also am part of a small company, part owner, that has created almost 400 jobs in the last ten years, and I'm still paying that 38% which this year will cost me close to $60,000.00 in taxes. Just how much more do you want out of me?
I will continue to create jobs as I can, but I can't create them out of nothing. In the meantime I have to create a budget for all properties including the corporate overhead and I can't say anything about a lack of budgets on this board without violating rules about politics and postings.
I'm in favor of gun control -- I think every citizen should have control of a gun.
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I think some of the most dangerous assumptions are those that are going around amongst those who feel like the "uber"-wealthy and the greedy corporations are sending us all to the poor house. Assumptions like those are not founded in the facts of an economy as large and complex as ours.
Here's a brain teaser: if our economy fails, who else's fails with it?
Quit fearing the Chinese, they need us to need them to manufacture goods. Fear the politicians with no understanding of economics and what it takes to keep the machine going.
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If his boss is on the up-and-up, then he IS paying income taxes. Pulled already before he gets his paycheck.
The REAL issue is wasteful spending, not who is funding it with how much.
The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters.
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