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    Some inaccuracies in a fiction writing can be forgiven but what bothers me are the ones that contradict actual historical record.

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    Some inaccuracies in a fiction writing can be forgiven but what bothers me are the ones that contradict actual historical record
    That happens when the writer assumes everyone that reads his book is as dumb as he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Are you reading the book because you want an entertaining story, or did you expect an owners manuel to whatever firearm is mentioned in the story?
    Understood. But it'd be like saying "Bob jumped itnto the 1978 Ford Pinto and guided down the highway with the optional Joystick that was introduced in that years model".

    It'd be like.....***?

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    Same goes for TV shows or movies that do the same.

    Hate it when I hear a Glock cocked when drawn, or the safety being taken off
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Are you reading the book because you want an entertaining story, or did you expect an owners manuel to whatever firearm is mentioned in the story?
    I expect to not be pulled OUT of the story by being told that a GS-15 is a "junior staffer," that the 9/11 attacks occured at breakfast time in the UK, and that a "Senior Captain" (as a rank, not as a description of what kind of Captain) in the US Army is doing something. I mean, really, how hard is it to find the rank structure on line? Or to know that if something happens in the morning on the east coast of the US, it is not going to be in the morning in the UK? Obvious, easy, simply to find (or what should really just be common knowledge) errors like these - and these are all from one book by one very big author "known" for technical accuracy - seriously detract from the entertainment value of the story.
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    While reading fiction novels, I'm more interested in the characters and overall plot, not so much the fine details.

    But, I do understand what you mean. When they really miss the mark on the details it is a little off-putting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    Same goes for TV shows or movies that do the same.

    Hate it when I hear a Glock cocked when drawn, or the safety being taken off
    The only sound my Glock makes when the safety comes off is--BANG!
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    It's pretty much a given that any book, movie or TV show depicting the military, not as the central theme (and sometimes even when so) will have mistakes aplenty.
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    I read a book a few weeks ago about time travel and the guy had it all wrong.
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    To me, Ludlum was the worst. Here you are reading a great story, and you read about somebody taking the safety off of a revolver or somebody using a revolver with a silencer. It's the equivalent of being at a party when, all of a sudden, the needle goes skidding across the record and the party jerks to a halt.

    On the other hand, even Mickey Spillane can make a boo-boo. In one of his books, Hammer pulls out his trusty .45 and chambers a round (Mike Hammer carries in Condition 3?!?!) Because the bad guy keeps running, Hammer cocks his pistol (better get that hammer-follow looked at), at which point the bad guy surrenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    I read a book a few weeks ago about time travel and the guy had it all wrong.
    C'mon! Nobody got that? I thought that was the best joke I've made all week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    I read a book a few weeks ago about time travel and the guy had it all wrong.
    LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    Same goes for TV shows or movies that do the same.

    Hate it when I hear a Glock cocked when drawn, or the safety being taken off
    True. I think that if you're going to write "adventure" or military-style fiction (print or film) proper research is fundamental. The kind of people drawn to such fiction often tend to be the kind that knows a fair amount about the topic. Disbelief can only be suspended so much.

    I remember watching "Rambo II" on VHS when it first came out with a bunch of my friends. Towards the end, when Rambo gets back to base camp all pissed off and fires his M60 into the ceiling, you can plainly see blank ammo being fed into it. I started laughing, and my friends were, like, "What? What's so funny?"

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    That's hard to miss unless you don't know what you're looking at to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    That's hard to miss unless you don't know what you're looking at to begin with.
    Precisely, that's why you have a problem with fiction that involves gun details. The majority of people really don't know what to look for.

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