December 20th, 2011 02:01 PM
No humor at all... tragic.
An Amish girl driving her buggy home after a Christmas party was shot and killed. The horse continued home with the buggy.
A man was cleaning his muzzle loader about one mile away... and it discharged into the air...
It could be worse!
December 20th, 2011 02:18 PM
Good grief. What are the odds of that happening?
One of the rules was violated..."know your backstop and what is beyond"
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December 20th, 2011 02:21 PM
Wow.. It is amazing that a muzzle loader would still be that lethal at a mile and a half. Also, consider the math involved. Your in a rural area. You shoot a single shot into the air. What is the likelyhood that it will not only hit somebody, but kill them? Murphy was definitely visiting their town that day.
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December 20th, 2011 02:25 PM
the article says it was an accidental shooting.....
the result of the shooter's action was a death.
that it was not intentional in no way changes the fact that he is responsible for a death.
if he survives his own hand long enough to be tried in a court of law (help here for the possible charges he may be tried for please)
...what is a fair consequence for his actions?
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December 20th, 2011 02:34 PM
So how do you get ballistics out of a PATCH and ball muzzle loader. The patch grabs the lands not the ball for the most part
December 20th, 2011 05:11 PM
You are responsible for your rounds. I think he will be charged with something, might not be murder, maybe criminally negligent homicide? We'll see.
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December 20th, 2011 06:43 PM
I would hate to have something like this on my conscience but IMO a third year law student could present a winning defense. I'm guessing the shooter turned himself in and then talked to the police. How else could they know who did it?
Assuming he was using a patch or a sabot there would be no ballistics and since the buggy was moving they wouldn't even have the crime scene.
It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.
December 20th, 2011 06:49 PM
The guy was probably an honest normal person that couldn't attempt to live with that on his concience. Just my .02
December 20th, 2011 07:01 PM
All the article says is it was a muzzle loader. He could have been using buffalo bullets, which you do not use a patch with, or it could have been a modern in line muzzle loader.
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December 20th, 2011 07:06 PM
December 20th, 2011 07:12 PM
Then he shouldn't have shot in the air and not know where his round would end up.
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December 20th, 2011 09:08 PM
I'm shooting 245 gr powerbelts, that's down from the 295 gr's I was shooting. That is a serious chunk of lead to be flying around. The ground, it's right there, all around, and you know where it's going. That's all it would have taken to prevent this. I don't even shoot squirrels in the trees unless I can put the round straight into the trunk. Too many houses around.
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December 20th, 2011 11:00 PM
WonderBra - I think you missed my point...the guy was probably an honest guy that made a terrible, horrible, irrevocable mistake that he will re-live over and over for the rest of his life. This was an incredibly tragic Negligent Discharge.
Originally Posted by WonderBra
December 20th, 2011 11:09 PM
I know that area very very well. I grew up a few miles from there. It is a very tight knit community, both Amish and English.
December 20th, 2011 11:20 PM
Pulling from the Nickel Mines tragedy, the victim's community will forgive him, but I don't think he will ever forgive himself.
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