Will Generation 'Gimme' Work for the American Dream? Eye-opening insight into America

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocPMD View Post
    I agree. Problem is that our government enables people to sit home collecting more money on unemployment. That gravy train eventually ends, but until it does, absolutely no incentive to go out and get a minimum wage job skimming crap. Besides, didn't we outsource all the crap-skimming jobs to China? :image035:
    Part in bold-- yes we did, sort of. And that is why unemployment insurance is so necessary now, and why people stay on it
    for so long. The rest we allowed to be filled with migrants, legal or otherwise.
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    I find it insulting when people use the “you hate poor people” argument. I’m sure that
    ANYONE on this board would agree that if you are honestly and aggressively looking for work, and intend to try your damndest to stay employed, that a little help would be a great thing. The problem exists when people (and a lot more than you think) are professional government leaches, and completely abuse the system. The same people who throw around the propaganda that anyone who is against our current forms of government aid “hate the poor” or “bashing the poor” are also the very often same people who oppose mandatory drug testing as a prerequisite for government aid. I have the unfortunate situation living in a neighborhood where I see a LOT of this. I have a good job, make good money and play by the rules. I bought my house for $175,000, new construction, great location (so I thought). The neighbors 2 houses west of me live in the same model house, have 2 vehicles that are less than 6 years old, 55” LCD, 4 wheelers, a dirt bike, and an above ground pool. Great for them right? Well not in my mind. I have now had the privilege of living next to them for the past 4 years and know them on a personal level. Neither of the adults have kept a job for more than 3 months since I have known them, the father claims disability (yet works landscaping and construction under the table) they are section 8 and only pay $300/month for what I pay $1390/month for. They apply for (and get) PELL grants, $4000 or more each, take a couple classes that are paid for, then get the check and drop the class. The mother is on unemployment as much as she can get away with, and only gets jobs to reset the clock. I know it’s wrong of me to see this and be angry about it, but it really bums me out that someone who has chosen to be nothing and do nothing is able to live the same lifestyle I have had to work hard to achieve. On to the neighbors immediately to the east. Not as bad as a situation as the first, but in the 3 years that they have lived there one of the two have been on unemployment at almost all times, they get food stamps (which they sometimes sell), WIC and other forms of help as well. The other day I actually heard the father say “I wish I was unemployed”. The people to the east of them were even worse. I could keep going on, but the point of it is that on my street alone, there are 6 households known to me that I have first hand knowledge of them abusing government aid. The problem DOES exist, and in much higher numbers than some would like to admit. It’s a shame because people who really are honest about it and do need help are taking part of the reputation hit as well. But in today’s world even the “Poor” people have cell phones and LCD televisions, stand by the checkout counters at Walmart some day, watch the people who pay for their items with EBT/WIC, not the brand of clothing/sunglasses/electronics they have. Hey, you need some help? Sure here’s an apartment and no you CAN’T buy twinkies with your EBT, get some veggies and meat… I’m losing focus and getting angry, I better stop for now. Oh and on a side note, search youtube for “it’s free, swipe your ebt”. It’s a satirical music video aimed at the Gov’t aid frauds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porp View Post
    I find it insulting when people use the “you hate poor people” argument. . .
    Kind of like when you criticize Obama you are instantly labelled a racist. It's the tactic that the liberals resort to when they don't have any other valid argument. You just have to let it go.

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    Porp: I agree with what you said based on the facts you stated. I think a lot of American's worked real hard to do the "right thing" (save, 401(k), buy a house, save for college, etc. etc.) and the last five years that all blew up through no fault of their own and made the world topsy-turvey. I am PO'd and disheartened too, so I can relate to the anger and frustration.

    To the contrary, I have some very close friends that are 99 week folks and they did nothing of the sort, it is just their locale.

    We all need to look at the specific facts, and realize generalizations are just that, and tend to be inaccurate for that reason.

    And incidentally, manufacturing jobs are starting to migrate back to the USA now. Not a landslide, but some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    Porp: I agree with what you said based on the facts you stated. I think a lot of American's worked real hard to do the "right thing" (save, 401(k), buy a house, save for college, etc. etc.) and the last five years that all blew up through no fault of their own and made the world topsy-turvey. I am PO'd and disheartened too, so I can relate to the anger and frustration.

    To the contrary, I have some very close friends that are 99 week folks and they did nothing of the sort, it just their locale.

    We all need to look at the specific facts, and realize generalizations are just that, and tend to be inaccurate for that reason.

    And incidentally, manufacturing jobs are starting to migrate back to the USA now. Not a landslide, but some.
    There are always people who game the system. Even hard working "middle class professionals." I had a work colleague who once complained to me that because he and his wife were frugal, saved their money, and both worked, their children were not entitled to aid their neighbor's children were getting with college tuition. He complained to me that the head of that household
    earned more than he did, was a professional of equal stature if not higher and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    Porp: I agree with what you said based on the facts you stated. I think a lot of American's worked real hard to do the "right thing" (save, 401(k), buy a house, save for college, etc. etc.) and the last five years that all blew up through no fault of their own and made the world topsy-turvey. I am PO'd and disheartened too, so I can relate to the anger and frustration.

    To the contrary, I have some very close friends that are 99 week folks and they did nothing of the sort, it is just their locale.

    We all need to look at the specific facts, and realize generalizations are just that, and tend to be inaccurate for that reason.

    And incidentally, manufacturing jobs are starting to migrate back to the USA now. Not a landslide, but some.
    I think that everyone who posted in this thread on either side would agree that your friends are who this aid was meant for. My main point is that massive changes are needed to make the system better. Stop throwing money at it and put some common sense rules in place like mandatory drug testing, and more comprehensive checks for fraud/manipulation. Stop placing people in expensive housing, stop allowing government leaches to live as well as those who bust their asses. Then you wouldn't hear complaints about "helping the poor". Stop the accusations that people hate the poor, it's not accurate, and not productive. As with drug addicts, people need to hit bottom in order to wake up. If we continue to carry the dishonest they will continue to drain our tax dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    What freeloading are you talking about? What specific programs? This is the wrong place but I get pretty fed up when folks talk about non-issues as if they were real.
    http://www.welfareinfo.org/

    Lets see....for starters, Free health care (Medicaid), food stamps, child care assistance, unemployment, cash aid, and housing assistance.

    The type and amount of aid available to individuals and dependents varies from state to state. When the Federal Government gave control back to the states in the mid 90's there was no longer one source and one set of requirements. But aid entitlements is still used by approximately 40 percent of US citizen in one form or another. And this is pathetic, and unsustainable in the long term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pirate View Post
    Free health care, food stamps, child care assistance, unemployment, cash aid, and housing assistance.

    The type and amount of aid available to individuals and dependent children varies from state to state. When the Federal Government gave control back to the states there was no longer one source and one set of requirements. But aid entitlements is still used by approximately 40 percent of US citizen in one form or another.
    Exaggerations because mostly folks have to be darn destitute to qualify. Free medical care? Where? That is mostly myth. You have to be Medicaid eligible. The threshold here is so high (low income) you can't afford to live anywhere but a homeless shelter to qualify.

    Food stamps-- these are actually subsidies to the agriculture industry. Besides, who wants starving people dropping in the streets. Our community runs a large Food Bank for all the folks who can't qualify or can't get enough aid from this program.

    We could take each of the others in order-- unemployment notably being insurance and not a handout.

    Have a little compassion on your fellow man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Exaggerations because mostly folks have to be darn destitute to qualify. Free medical care? Where? That is mostly myth. You have to be Medicaid eligible. The threshold here is so high (low income) you can't afford to live anywhere but a homeless shelter to qualify.

    Food stamps-- these are actually subsidies to the agriculture industry. Besides, who wants starving people dropping in the streets. Our community runs a large Food Bank for all the folks who can't qualify or can't get enough aid from this program.

    We could take each of the others in order-- unemployment notably being insurance and not a handout.

    Have a little compassion on your fellow man.

    Well, you can think what you chose to think but the facts are the facts. People who live in subsidized section 8 housing don't live in a homeless shelter. People who get food stamps generally don't live as homeless. Medicaid is free health care period. You can spin it anyway you like and the liberals do this daily, but this nation cannot sustain this level of social programs and entitlements to people who in many cases refuse to work and chose to live off the welfare state, which is sustained by politicians who kowtow to the socialist elements in our society. The continued survival of this nation as we know it is at stake and the best way to help everyone in our society is to get this house in order and stop the out of control and wasteful entitlements before its too late, if it is not already as many believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Exaggerations because mostly folks have to be darn destitute to qualify. Free medical care? Where? That is mostly myth. You have to be Medicaid eligible. The threshold here is so high (low income) you can't afford to live anywhere but a homeless shelter to qualify.

    Food stamps-- these are actually subsidies to the agriculture industry. Besides, who wants starving people dropping in the streets. Our community runs a large Food Bank for all the folks who can't qualify or can't get enough aid from this program.

    We could take each of the others in order-- unemployment notably being insurance and not a handout.

    Have a little compassion on your fellow man.
    Hopyard, please do not take this as offensive, you are a long time, well respected member around here and I recognize that. My dad and half sister are on Medicaid, my father owns his house outright, was gainfully employed by Intel for 20 years and is now living off of his retirement and investments, my sister lives with him, is 19 and is a do nothing, no ambition parasite. It's not as difficult as you make it seem. She had a baby about 15 months ago, and paid 0 out of pocket expenses. With each of my children I was out $2-3 thousand per birth, out of pocket. I'm having a hard time finding any connection between food stamps and the agriculture subsidies other than politicians trying to get bills passed by piggy backing Ag bills with food stamp bills.

    That said, I agree, that there are a lot of people who actually want to do the right thing, and do need the help. It is sad that there is such an overwhelming number of people ruining it for everyone that really do need it. My main point is that throwing money at it, in it's current state, is just throwing money down a hole. With some hard work we could decrease the total cost of the program while providing the help where it's really needed. I do have compassion for my fellow man, with the exception of the hordes of dishonest parasites. Turning a blind eye to the blatent widespread malfeasance of the current system, let alone defending it, only makes the problem worsen.

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