Felony arrest for Giving Toddler a Ride on Motorcycle

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    Felony arrest for Giving Toddler a Ride on Motorcycle

    Tampa man arrested after giving toddler ride on motorcycle | TBO.com
    A Tampa man was arrested this morning on one count of felony child neglect after deputies stopped him while driving a motorcycle with his 3-year-old son in his lap.
    My first bike ride was on the tank of a Harley owned my a Cop. Same Cop who with my father and other cops taught me to reload and shoot in grade school.

    Will they be arresting folks for taking kids shooting next?

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    Dam, I give the little ones rides on the mini bikes. Nanny state if full effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
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    My first bike ride was on the tank of a Harley owned my a Cop. Same Cop who with my father and other cops taught me to reload and shoot in grade school.

    Will they be arresting folks for taking kids shooting next?

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    I see your point, but where do you draw the line on child endangerment? 30mph? 40? 50?

    I rode my kid in my lap on my Harley too. But it was in the neighborhood, on a private road, just putting up and down in front of the house. There's no way I would have taken him out in traffic, but that's just my personal judgement. I think at least one of the rules of the three stupids was violated when he went out in traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    I see your point, but where do you draw the line on child endangerment? 30mph? 40? 50?

    I rode my kid in my lap on my Harley too. But it was in the neighborhood, on a private road, just putting up and down in front of the house. There's no way I would have taken him out in traffic, but that's just my personal judgement. I think at least one of the rules of the three stupids was violated when he went out in traffic.
    The article did not state whether the kid was wearing a lid or not, but assuming that he was attired in the manner that the state requires (not sure of FL laws for minors on a bike), what law do you think dad broke? He may not have used the same judgement that you would have used, but is that a criminal offense?

    Unless there was a law that was broken, I see this a way too much nanny state. FWIW, I did not take my kiddos on my bikes til they could ride on the pillion and firmly put their feet on the pegs, but that is my judgement.

    From the article:
    Diana's son was in his lap unrestrained, the report states.
    And who the heck would, in their right mind, want to be tied to the bike?
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    I see your point, but where do you draw the line on child endangerment? 30mph? 40? 50?
    Its a difficult question. What is child endangerment? Throwing a kid in the river to teach him to swim? Giving him twinkies for lunch instead of some soymeal burgers and lettuce?
    Do I need to fear some anti gun government agent charging me with felony endangerment because I allow children to handle black powder? It is an explosive after all. Is the fact that children around firearms in my house endangerment? To some I'm sure it is.
    Some time ago I had an eight year old friend priming cartridges for me when I was reloading. Should I be a felon? Should the kid have been placed in protective custody? Should the boys parents have been arrested for allowing it to happen?

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    I am always torn bewtween parental rights. A parent should know what is best and safe for their kids. The government should only intervene when it is so outrageous that anyone with common sense would say that ain't right. Either way in this case it should not be a felony arrest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
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    From the article:

    And who the heck would, in their right mind, want to be tied to the bike?
    LOL. I've always found it amusing that I will be ticketed for driving without a seat-belt, but I can be flying down the road on motorcycle with no helmet on, and everything is 'cool'.

    I agree that the last thing we need is more assistance in determining what is safe for ourselves or our kids. A reasonable and concerned LEO would have had a talk with him. There was likely nothing more needed.
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    I thought part of the joy of childhood was surviving, not going through padded and helmeted. I was nearly thrown off the back of the Harley when dad decided a wheelie on interstate would be exciting.

    FWIW, a LEO informed my daughter he would write her a ticket for not wearing a helmet if he caught her again. She was 9 at the time and riding on the little neighborhood road in front of the house. No real through traffic, the road is about 80 yrds long. I thought that was a bit much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
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    My first bike ride was on the tank of a Harley owned my a Cop. Same Cop who with my father and other cops taught me to reload and shoot in grade school.

    Will they be arresting folks for taking kids shooting next?

    Michael
    Times have changed. Parents no longer have much discretion in deciding what is and isn't safe for their kids, that's the Government's job now.

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    These are always really difficult issues. In the days before seat belts and seat belt laws it was not uncommon for parents to sit their kids on their laps while they drove. Sadly, I once knew of an incident where there was an accident and the kid got crushed between the dad and the steering wheel, which in those days were not collapsible or telescoping.

    I just don't know on this motorcycle one. Maybe the key question is whether or not dad knew he was endangering.

    Gosh, we used to let kids ride in the back of pickups; now forbidden. I see both sides.
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    A good lawyer gets this dismissed in around 15 seconds. Still, the police victim had to bail and defend $.

    My parents would be in the big house for 10-20 for all the stuff they allowed me to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeejib View Post
    My parents would be in the big house for 10-20 for all the stuff they allowed me to do.
    I still have my set of Jarts from the late 60's. Kids throwing weighted lawn darts at each other. We survived. We used to throw them over the house at each other's target. Lucky we survived LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    I still have my set of Jarts from the late 60's. Kids throwing weighted lawn darts at each other. We survived. We used to throw them over the house at each other's target. Lucky we survived LOL.
    Friend of mine has a glass eye thanks to poor judgment and one of those evil arrows that we bought at the local S H Kress store when we were kids. Dad let me use the old powder out of military ammo that he pulled the bullets on for burning ants in the back yard.
    Local farmer help us kids make nitrogen bombs to blow stumps with. Still remember a Deputy coming by and asking if our parents, who he knew, were aware of what we were doing. Told him yes and he just said to be careful and drove away.

    Where do I go to turn myself in at?

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    cops can't get promoted without arresting someone

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    I'd say the officer way over stepped his authority. If the DA has any sense, he will drop the case. Government intervention in family life is wrong.

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