Crisis of Character

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    Quote Originally Posted by John123 View Post
    Nice way to take a shot, then call for the ref...

    But agreed, WAAAAY off topic and I will shoulder the blame for it. I'd rather talk guns anyways! I'm out on this thread.
    No no, tell me more about how much of an advantage race is in getting elected to office in the U.S. Send it in a private message, do it here, whatever, I'm anxious to hear about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward7 View Post
    thats kinda the problem. they need constitutionally protected equality.
    There is nothing in the constitution about gay people, nor should there be. They have the same rights as everyone else under the constitution. That's the problem. All the special interest groups say they want equality, but what they really mean is they want special treatment and special rights. We can't go changing the constitution and writing in special groups interests every time there is a new group that wants special treatment.

    Or how about this to keep it on topic. I like exercising my 2A right to bear arms, and I take that seriously. I want to build an an arsenal to be able to assist in defending our country if necessary. As such, me and people like myself are going to apply for special interest status. We should be able to not pay taxes so we can facilitate our special interest. I realize that is an extreme example, and not exactly literal, but I think you get my point.
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    This thread has turned into an example of how our country is divided. On this forum one side is more represented than the other.
    I like to think that the dominant side here is still the dominant one in our society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward7 View Post
    [M]ost changes to the us constitution have been made to GIVE more rights to the people, not reduce them.
    The caps in your quote are yours, and I raise a point of semantics. Government may appear to give greater access to government, i.e., "civil" rights, and yet still trample or allow the trampling of human rights. I am afraid that this brings us to the purpose of our site under which we post this "Crisis of Character" thread.

    2A guarantees the human right to keep and bear arms. Yet the state of California isn't "giving" that right in the case of us 7M residents of LA county. Most states require at the least a restricted permit to "give" the right. The faulty reasoning is that this restriction and permit process saves people’s lives, however two glaring truths are, #1 – statistics and facts prove that less gun laws save lives, and #2 – infringing on the right is tyrannical and unconstitutional! State government is only "giving" part of a guaranteed right that it first usurped by legal restriction. To reiterate, government may never "give" human rights.

    The fine folks of this forum cherish the American heritage and its revolutionary concept that people govern themselves in a universe of only natural and not artificail limits. These are the rights our Founding Fathers guaranteed that the Constitution protects. Let's vigilantly oppose usurpation and restriction of natural and guranteed rights. Let's restrict government and not allow government to restrict us. Let's take control of our government as our founders guided us to do.

    I agree with some of your points. Liberation is not force beyond the force to remove the restricting tyranny. And Constitutional amendments with prohibition (18th) repealed (21st) notwithstanding, are restricting government or guranteeing civil rights with the huge exception being the Income Tax grab (16th); and it has in part led to a $15T debt. That is, government is bigger than ever, and freedom and prosperity are on the run. Arguably, we are one of the most comfortable countries in one of the most comfortable times (in terms of liklihood of not starving) with the largest world population in its history. And Malthusian doomsday is fallacy. But the giving of civil rights to those who contribute nothing, I fear, is, by legal plunder, sapping the natural right to the fruits of one's labors. And we come full circle back to this thread. Socialism is all lightness and love until you run out of other people's money.
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    Amen, word for word

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    I think Pop was right, (see my previous post in this thread)and I guess "children" now encompasses this latest "greatest generation!"

    Wow, just wow.
    It could be worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward7 View Post
    generally speaking, my generation (im 24) is infinitely superior to any previous generation of Americans.
    Please give me an example of ONE substantive accomplishment other than some meaningless touchy-feely hokey-pokey "we feel good trash". Everybody gets a Blue Ribbon. Wow. We did that "everybody feels good" stuff in the sixties, so no, that is not new, original, or substantive. Folks in San Francisco had done that for DECADES, so don't take credit for that "holding hands" baloney either.

    ONE SUBSTANTIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT. JUST ONE.
    Facebook does not count.

    In 30 or 40 or more likely, 50 years, years HISTORY might pass judgement that you are correct in your opinion, but you are a wee bit presumptuous to so declare victory at your stage in life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    Organizing for Power: Please answer this question, a "Yes" or "No" will suffice:

    Are you blaming the USA for the 9/11 attacks?

    This seems to be what you infer above.
    I am a Moderator. You may answer that without violating a rule. You are inferring that the victim is to blame. Read Welcome to the Monkey House and Slaughterhouse Five first. I may not be a Moderator tomorrow............

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    KU Student Union?? Are you a fellow Jayhawk?


    How'd you guess? That spring semester was shortened, without finals too.

    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Wow, just wow.
    So..........I was gone for three or four hours and my "lovely thread" got blown to smithereens! I don't know what to think, except that maybe Peggy Noonan really hit the nail on the head! Ya think?

    Consider some of the hateful, spiteful and nasty things said or implied in the last five or so pages................darn near makes me want to yak!

    To be honest, if we can get back on focus and get our panties out of knots, we might have a meritorious discussion. I think that would be marvelous. Simply marvelous.

    Can we try?
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    For thirty thousand years

    The whisper in the ear of human history and Civilization will follow free and armed and dangerous men willing to stand up to tyranny. We owe it to Pistology in California and to our brothers and sisters in Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey - did I forget anybody? - to stand up for our Human Character.

    I'm pretty much ready to assist the Democratic movement in Syria too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    For thirty thousand years

    The whisper in the ear of human history and Civilization will follow free and armed and dangerous men willing to stand up to tyranny. We owe it to Pistology in California and to our brothers and sisters in Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey - did I forget anybody? - to stand up for our Human Character.

    I'm pretty much ready to assist the Democratic movement in Syria too.
    Leave it to a Doghandler to keep us human. Thank you. And you forgot NY, and peaceful men and women willing to stand up to tyranny. But your dog would've reminded you, no doubt.
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    -Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stubborn View Post
    Everyone is to have a say in how our government is run! No I do not want the church dictating policy to the government.
    I would much prefer to have our government run by Godly men, rather than by a bunch of self-serving, greedy, criminals as it is now!

    Crime statistics may be generally trending down, but "riddle me this Batman" why could you let your children out to play 20 years ago without worrying, but today you can't let them out of your sight? Thirty years ago you could walk the streets anywhere in the country but the worst of neighborhoods, try that today.
    Really? Maybe it has always depended on exactly where you live, but certainly it has been a very long time since folks could
    walk most neighborhoods and kids could innocently play without fear.

    Here, yesterday's headline: "Police and FBI agents have begun searching a basement on the New York block where Etan Patz once lived. The boy's disappearance 33 years ago while on his ...."
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,6416858.story

    Even in the late 40s we children knew about "kidnappers," and were aware that they lurked out there. We certainly didn't know
    about the perverse reasons why people snatched kids, that aspect was taboo and not talked about, but we knew that kids were
    snatched for "ransom." It seems to have not occurred to us that if that was the motive we were perfectly safe as our folks
    lacked the money to ransom a potato.

    As for being able to safely walk in most neighborhoods, not where I lived. Not where most of the people I knew lived.
    Even the ones who were considered prosperous, who owned their own homes, who owned cars, wouldn't walk about at night.

    And I remember stories told by Aunts, Uncles, Grandparents, some stories going back to the
    earl 20th century. There were plenty of street gangs in NYC orior to WWI.

    I don't think things have really changed all that much. We've always had miserable dastardly criminals. We've always had
    thugs robbing at knife point, beating for fun, holding up the grocery store for a six pack, breaking into a home to steal some
    cheap jewelry. The word just spreads a bit faster these days.
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    These modern notions of safety - that we should be able to live without risk are very recent - since the '80s - and very dangerous and downright oppressive.

    What's next? Oh, my good grief!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    These modern notions of safety - that we should be able to live without risk are very recent - since the '80s - and very dangerous and downright oppressive.

    What's next? Oh, my good grief!
    Well, I don't think it is a modern notion that we should live in safety. Our cities in the late 18th century deployed watchmen.
    That developed to full time professional police.

    Now what has changed and changed dramatically is the lack of safety in our more rural regions, or in our suburbs.

    I do think our meth factories and to a much lesser extent our illegal population which works the farms, have brought
    crime to rural areas and to small towns in ways which previously did not occur.

    BGs got smart and figured out that they can hide in plain site by buying a few acres and a nice looking house; and growing and cooking far from where they might be observed or detected. As meth is a relatively new street drug, the rural crime that goes with it is also relatively new.
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    Now what has changed and changed dramatically is the lack of safety in our more rural regions, or in our suburbs.
    That is exactly why my wife and I got our Texas CHL's several years ago - the meth and drugs in the small, rural and poor county we lived were the impetus, combined with the behaviors we were seeing that were startlingly crude, inconsiderate, ignorant and dangerous . At times it appeared society was devolving into it's lowest common form right in our backyard, which backed up to a small publicly available city owned lake. We later moved, and are again very rural, but it is still an issue of interest.

    There is another thread running that skirts the same issue of civility and addresses some of the same issues from a self-defense perspective when potential life-threatening behavior erupts. Different framework, similar issue.

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    Arguing about ones perception is a waste of time.

    Every person alive has a different perception of reality, and they are as many as people on earth.

    I recall hearing things like 20,000 union soldiers dying in a single day in Fredericksburg, up to 50,000 dying in three days at Gettysburg, and I don't remember a number, but I always thought Antietam was the bloodiest day of the war. My guess is that a lot of guys were dead when it was all said and done.
    Thats right. Slavery was not the cause of the war. States right was. Slavery wasnt even an issue until the North started getting their little blue butts kicked.
    Of those 20K Union soldiers that never saw the end of the day, I'd be willing to be that precious few were willing to die for slavery.

    On the Confederate side, most of the ones that died, didnt even own slaves. They were fighting because their way of life was threatened. If you would have asked them why they were fighting for slavery, most of them would have laughed at you. Thats a completley different topic though, so no more on that.

    HotGuns, you're a bold one. I find a lot of the opinions in this thread to be ridiculous. It's just a point of view. I guess that makes me a bad American.
    Nah, it doesnt make you a "bad" American. It just makes you a misinformed one.

    I've lived on this earth long enough to know right from wrong and good from bad. I also know when someone is blowing smoke.
    Smoke rises and dissapates, much like opinion. The only thing that stands forever is truth.

    "Bold"?
    Me?
    If calling it like I see it is being "bold"...then so be it.
    I'm guilty.
    If I ever get to the point that I call right wrong and wrong right, then perhaps the Good Lord would see fit to remove me from this existence.
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