Caliber Wars.

Caliber Wars.

This is a discussion on Caliber Wars. within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; 9mm Luger: European popgun round that’s only popular because the ammo is cheap for a centerfire cartridge. Cheap ammo is a good thing for 9mm ...

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    Caliber Wars.

    9mm Luger:
    European popgun round that’s only popular because the ammo is cheap for a centerfire cartridge. Cheap ammo is a good thing for 9mm aficionados, because anything bigger and more dangerous than a cranky raccoon will likely require multiple well-placed hits. Wildly popular all over the world, mostly in countries where people don’t carry guns, and cops don’t have to actually shoot people with theirs.

    .45ACP:
    Chunky low-pressure cartridge that hogs magazine space and requires a low-capacity design (if the gun needs to fit human hands) or a grip with the circumference of a two-liter soda bottle (if the gun needs to hold more than seven rounds). Disturbingly prone to bullet setback, expensive to reload, fits only into big and clunky guns, and a recoil that has an inversely proportionate relationship with muzzle energy.

    .40S&W:
    Neutered compromise version of a compromise cartridge. Even more setback-happy than the .45ACP, and setbacks are much more dangerous because of higher pressure and smaller case volume. Manages to sacrifice both the capacity of the 9mm and the bullet diameter of the .45. Twice the recoil of the 9mm for 10% more muzzle energy.

    .357SIG:
    Highly overpriced boutique round that does the .40S&W one worse: it manages to share the capacity penalty of the .40 while retaining the small bullet diameter of the 9mm. Noisy, sharp recoil, and 100% cost penalty for ballistics that can be matched by a good 9mm +P+ load. Penetrates like the dickens, which means that the Air Marshals just had to adopt it…only to load their guns with frangible bullets to make sure they don’t penetrate like the dickens.

    .38 Special:
    Legacy design with a case length that’s 75% longer than necessary for the mediocre ballistics of the round due to its blackpowder heritage. On the plus side, the case length makes it easy to handle when reloading the gun. This is a good thing because anyone using their .38 in self-defense against a 250-pound attacker hopped up on crack will need to empty the gun multiple times.

    .32ACP:
    Inadequate for anything more thick-skinned than Northeastern squirrels or inbred Austrian archdukes. Semi-rimmed cartridge that is rimlock-happy in modern lightweight autoloaders. Doesn’t go fast enough to expand a hollowpoint bullet, and it wouldn’t matter even if it did, because the bullet would only expand from tiny to small-ish.

    .44 Magnum:
    Overpowered round that generates manageable recoil and muzzle blast…if you’re a 300-pound linebacker with wrists like steel girders. Often loaded to “Lite” levels that turn it into a noisy .44 Special while retaining the ego-preserving Magnum headstamp. Considered the “most powerful handgun cartridge in the world” by people whose gun knowledge is either stuck in 1960, or who get their expertise in ballistics from Dirty Harry movies.

    .50 Desert Eagle:
    The Magnum of the new century. Realizing Hollywood couldn’t escape their Magnum fetishes, they had a handgun that fits the same stopping power quota of .44 Magnum and all of its filthy drawbacks. Popular amongst steroid filled movie actors who needs big guns to compensate for the steroid struck testicles. Comes in a baby variant for junior.

    10mm Auto:
    Super-high pressure cartridge that beats up gun and shooter alike. Very brisk recoil in anything other than all-steel S&W boat anchors, with a shot recovery that’s measured in geological epochs for most handgun platforms. Often underloaded to wimpy levels (see “.40 S&W”), which then gives it 9mm ballistics while requiring .45ACP magazine real estate.

    .380ACP/9mm Kurz:
    Designed by people who thought the 9mm Luger was a bit too brisk and snappy, which is pretty much all that needs to be said here. Great round if you expect to only ever be attacked by people less than seven inches thick from front to back.

    .357 Magnum:
    Lots of recoil, muzzle blast, and noise to drive a 9mm bullet to reckless speeds in an attempt to make up for its low mass and diameter. Explosive fragmentation and insufficient penetration with light bullets; excessive penetration and insufficient expansion with heavy ones. Still makes only 9mm holes in the target.

    5.7×28mm:
    Ingenious way to make a centerfire .22 Magnum and then charge quadruple price for the same ballistics. Awesome chambering for a police weapon…if you’re the park ranger in charge of the chipmunk exhibit at the zoo, and you want to make sure you can take one down if it turns rabid on you.

    .25ACP:
    Direct violation of the maxim “Never do an enemy a minor injury”. Designed by folks who wanted to retain the bullet diameter of the .22 rimfire round, but take a bit of the excessive lethality out of it. Favored by people who don’t feel comfortable carrying anything more dangerous than the neighbor kid’s rusty Red Ryder pellet gun.

    The preceding is an excerpt from an article I have linked to before.

    A few threads here lately have reminded me of it, enjoy!

    credit ---> Pros and cons of possible SHTF rifle choices
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    So theres not a good round out there?
    Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paching View Post
    So theres not a good round out there?
    Perhaps you missed this was posted in the off-topic and humor subforum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by paching View Post
    So theres not a good round out there?
    .50BMG wasn't mentioned.......


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    I wish the article had mentioned the .44 Special. I've been reading some of Skeeter Skelton's
    writings on it and I was impressed enough to buy a Charter Arms Bulldog a couple of weeks
    ago. So far, I am impressed by what I've seen when I shoot it. It reminds me of the .45 ACP
    a lot and I love that round!
    Current Carry Guns:
    Charter Arms Bullldog - .44 Special
    Taurus - 851 - .38 Special
    Taurus - 617 - .357 Magnum
    Ruger - LCP - .380
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    Never knew Don Rickles was a gun writer! ("Kid, you're a .22 short!")
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    This is why I am changing my EDC to an M249 Saw.
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    I always refer to these stats compiled from actual shootings. 357 Magnum Stopping Power . Can browse other calibers too.

    The 125gr JHP .357Mag has over 1000 recorded shootings with a 96% stopping percentage. It's a measure of stopping power. Other calibers measure very well or just as good but the number of recorded shootings are far less. Note penetration and expansion results too.

    So my pick for SD use is the 125gr JHP .357Mag or the 125gr JHP .357Sig which ballistically mimics the 125gr .357Mag. As long as a good JHP is selected, I wouldn't be so concerned with excess penetration. Some may argue that a 9mm +P+ is similar but would I want to practice with those all the time in my 9mm? So my EDC is a Glock G32. It's full power all the time.

    I've shot and carried guns in all calibers that are listed (including a .41Mag S&W M58) except for 10mm, .50DE, and 5.7x28. I think one driver of choice can be the individual's choice of the firearm itself (i.e. someone who wants a 1911 will be carrying .45acp).

    I'm tempted to try full house 10mm in a Glock G20 but prefer the size of the G32. I think that is the bomb for EDC if the shooter can control it and not mind the extra size/weight for EDC.

    Realistically, any major caliber has sufficient power/penetration as long as placement is good. Even the .32 or .380 can have up to a 2/3 chance of stopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolvingMag View Post
    .50BMG wasn't mentioned.......


    If I got time this afternoon I'll try to add some missing calibers to this article.

    And let's try to keep comments in this thread completely NOT serious!

    It's good to have a little humor and to poke fun at your favorite caliber, that's the goal here.
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    I must admit, I missed the humor and let my fingers get ahead of my brain untill
    I read the article again
    Current Carry Guns:
    Charter Arms Bullldog - .44 Special
    Taurus - 851 - .38 Special
    Taurus - 617 - .357 Magnum
    Ruger - LCP - .380
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    Well I might as well sell my 380 now since it can't kill anyone :(




    Funny thread, add some more when you got time :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    This is why I am changing my EDC to an M249 Saw.
    Excellent choice sir!

    May I recommend 5.11's new "Super Baggy" tactical pants for concealing that bad boy?

    Just tell everyone you've had your knee joint fused together because of an old war injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burns View Post
    Well I might as well sell my 380 now since it can't kill anyone :(




    Funny thread, add some more when you got time :D
    It's great that you mentioned the .380, it's the 10 page long thread on it that got me thinking about starting this one.

    Why the .380 won't protect you
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