Is our government getting ready For a Civil War

This is a discussion on Is our government getting ready For a Civil War within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by oakchas Thanks for the insult... Beyond an eighth grade education... Thanks Hop... So, what your telling me is that, say, oh about ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Thanks for the insult... Beyond an eighth grade education... Thanks Hop...

    So, what your telling me is that, say, oh about 535 folks, give or take... you know, the duly elected "delegates" in this country... could decide for us that instead of a democratic republic, we should become a socialist state... So it takes LESS than 22,000ths of 1 percent... FAR LESS to determine the future of our country...hmmmm... I guess I hadn't thought of that!

    Now, did those original 57 guys each represent the majority of their constituencies, or just the squeaky wheels (you know, the ones with the tinfoil hats)?

    There are some estimates that the population of Tories (Royalists or Loyalists) prior to the revolution was about 35% (say around 850,000) and that the remainder of the population was pretty equally divided between "Patriots" and couch potatoes (those who didn't care one way or the other)...

    So, the answer is no... they didn't necessarily represent the majority of the population... but their own designs on the new world. And even if they did represent the majority of the population in their own representation... what about the rights of the minority..?

    To bring it into parallel with today's world... the state of Illinois, heavily weighted by the population center on Lake Michigan... has decided that no one in that state has the constitutional right to keep and BEAR arms... To keep them... okay... as long as every single one is registered, every single gun owner is identified (FOID) card... Perhaps they are preparing for a civil war in Illinois? By trying to keep arms out of the hands of those who would like to be able to BEAR them as well as keep them... Tell me that couldn't be said... 100% accurate... prolly not... but it's not a far leap to being truth.

    8th grade education indeed... that was uncalled for... Igots me a high school edumication! and some beyond as well... buddy.
    The comment was not aimed at "You" as an individual. It was a generic "you" meaning most of us including myself until very recently *when I began reading history and biography of that era avidly*
    know far too little of our own history because we have few opportunities or reason to learn it beyond the 8th grade view.

    If it is any consolation, I once got into a a really really bad situation with my son by using the word "you" in that generic
    fashion in a letter.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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    Jefferson represented the 180 opposite view until he was Prez and decided he had the opportunity to buy Louisiana without Congressional consent. At that point, his "strict constructionist limited view of The Executive Power" went out the window.
    Isn't that the way it is with most people? They all want limited Government until they are in that Government. The natural craving for more power by members of government does not in any way mean that the original idea of limited power was not the correct one. It only proves that power is addictive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Isn't that the way it is with most people? They all want limited Government until they are in that Government. The natural craving for more power by members of government does not in any way mean that the original idea of limited power was not the correct one. It only proves that power is addictive.

    Michael
    QFT...


    And Hop, I know you were using the generic "you" and laud you the reading of founding era histories...

    That said... Please, keep in mind... those "histories" are nothing more than "his-stories." And, usually the winners get to write them. There is some objectivity in later histories of a bygone era, to be sure... but to a great degree, the author controls what he writes and what he wishes to convey... There are many historical fictions that tell the story of the past as well or better than historical non-fictions... Mind you, I did say "story of the past."

    As far as the Federalist/Anti-federalist published arguments... therein you can see that a few were trying to control the dialogue of the masses... through their writings. "Fomenting discord?" Certainly. And what but that, is a "conspiracy"... becoming a "movement", growing into a "revolution"?

    And in today's world with our (ahem) educated youth, the seed of discord could grow mightily... if they weren't so sedentary and uncaring, and unable to discern facts though reasoning.... But that's a different discussion...
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Q: Is our government getting ready for civil war?
    A:No they have to many other problems. They have a manual that tells them what to do. (in case of civil war break glass)

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    makes me wonder too as we hear storys like this


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