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    Health care for Poppo ?

    He was attacked and his face eaten off. He has no health insurance. His medical bills will be enormous.

    At the golf course the other day, I heard some guys talking about him being a 'Bum' so he doesn't deserve health care. Just another burden of society.

    Just left wondering what the majority of you would do with Poppo (a 30 year homeless man) since his medical care will be paid for by tax dollars.
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    We cant take care of everyone, we do not have the money for it. There are some in this country that deserve society take care of them. However it has become its own beast, a beast that is driving this country down the toilet. Most of the time, homeless people are that way by a bad choice in life. We cannot help that. That being said, he will be taken care of at all of our expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig35seven View Post
    He was attacked and his face eaten off. He has no health insurance. His medical bills will be enormous.

    At the golf course the other day, I heard some guys talking about him being a 'Bum' so he doesn't deserve health care. Just another burden of society.

    Just left wondering what the majority of you would do with Poppo (a 30 year homeless man) since his medical care will be paid for by tax dollars.
    Stuff happens in life. It can happen to anyone. A man can go from affluence to poverty and back again several times
    in one life time; and the other way around as well.

    I do think there is an error to your recount of the story. I think he is 65, not in his 30s. That might be
    relevant as everyone that age is covered by Medicare Part A (hospital). We know nothing about the man's life
    in the past, and to what extent if any at all he paid into the fund.

    Also, we share a certain collective responsibility for the consequences of crime we don't control. My state has
    a Crime Victim's Compensation fund. I don't know about FL.
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    Sorry...he was homeless for 30+ years.
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    Someone tell me why I should gives a rats ass about some homeless punk several states over that chooses to be a burden on society?

    I mean really. I realize that we have some here that really beleive in the entitlement way of life, and that WE should take care of him, but I dont. For me, its simple. You dont work, you dont eat.Try that for awhile and see how long it takes to get someone back to working. Giving something, or anything to those that dont work for it just encourages laziness. In this case for 30 something years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Someone tell me why I should gives a rats ass about some homeless punk several states over that chooses to be a burden on society?

    I mean really. I realize that we have some here that really beleive in the entitlement way of life, and that WE should take care of him, but I dont. For me, its simple. You dont work, you dont eat.Tyr that for awhile and see how long it takes to get someone back to working. Giving something, or anything to those that dont work for it just encourages laziness. In this case for 30 something years.
    What about my insurance premiums for healthcare going up because of bad decisions of others? I don't smoke, drink, eat to excess and have unprotected sex. Maybe I should complain about those who have a genetic predisposition for certain diseases. Or, what about medical care for the retired? What about children born with birth defects? What about disabled veterans? What about people who work in industries that are no longer able to compete effectively in the world market?

    Your way of thinking would throw many under the bus, including both of us. The attempt to fix society your was was attempted in Germany under Hitler. It was illogical and arbitrary then as it is now in your argument.

    To have glorious objectives for society is fine; understanding the civil and moral means to achieve it is far more complex. You cannot achieve the ideal society through the destruction of humanity.

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    I don't think the medical profession will walk away from this guy. Costs will be incurred and those costs will be passed on to those of us who pay premiums whether I like it not. Guess I'll just have to focus on the suspicion that those medical costs will be partially, if not fully, offset by not having to pay for the lifetime incarceration of the perp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieG59 View Post
    What about my insurance premiums for healthcare going up because of bad decisions of others? I don't smoke, drink, eat to excess and have unprotected sex.

    Maybe I should complain about those who have a genetic predisposition for certain diseases. Or, what about medical care for the retired? What about children born with birth defects? What about disabled veterans? What about people who work in industries that are no longer able to compete effectively in the world market?

    Your way of thinking would throw many under the bus, including both of us. The attempt to fix society your was was attempted in Germany under Hitler. It was illogical and arbitrary then as it is now in your argument.

    To have glorious objectives for society is fine; understanding the civil and moral means to achieve it is far more complex. You cannot achieve the ideal society through the destruction of humanity.
    Your health premiums will continue to go up because of the poor choices made by others. I don't smoke, drink,eat to excess or need to have unprotected sex. Being married to the same woman for 30 years and honoring my vows,(a concept that many these days do not understand) means that I do not need "protected" sex. Old fashioned concept in todays ideal society.

    Complaining about anything does no good. Some people do have a genetic predisposition foe certain disease. It is what it is. I'm soon to retire and I will have medical care. Children born with defects have no choice. What about disabled veterans? I know scores of them. My father is one, he has no issues with health care. World Market? Are you kidding me? Let get our own market here in the U.S. figured out before we worry about the Global scheme.

    You don't know my way of thinking and comparing it to what that fool Hitler did in Germany is about as far a stretch as I have ever seen. Using Hitler in any conversations is a liberal tactic that is neither welcomed here, nor will it be tolerated and jumping to conclusions will see you get puffed...and I don't mean in the liberal term.

    Glorious objectives for society. What a term...used mostly by Globalists and Socialists. Understanding the civil and moral means to achieve it is far more complex. Yeah no kidding. Perhaps you could enlighten us and tell us how to make it happen?

    You cannot achieve the ideal society through the destruction of humanity. WOW. Just WOW. The destruction of humanity. A homeless guy, that has made a decision to live like a rat gets his face ate off and you go on a rampage because I don't think I should have to pay for it then you compare me to a dictator that is responsible for the demise of at least 20 million people. That's brilliant man, really brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieG59 View Post
    What about my insurance premiums for healthcare going up because of bad decisions of others? I don't smoke, drink, eat to excess and have unprotected sex. Maybe I should complain about those who have a genetic predisposition for certain diseases. Or, what about medical care for the retired? What about children born with birth defects? What about disabled veterans? What about people who work in industries that are no longer able to compete effectively in the world market?

    Your way of thinking would throw many under the bus, including both of us. The attempt to fix society your was was attempted in Germany under Hitler. It was illogical and arbitrary then as it is now in your argument.

    To have glorious objectives for society is fine; understanding the civil and moral means to achieve it is far more complex. You cannot achieve the ideal society through the destruction of humanity.
    Hotguns post is based in the reality of things. And to be honest, rings true. He never said that certain individuals shouldnt be taken care of. The utopia of which you speak doesnt work, and will never work. This subject goes much deeper than a bum, getting medical care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Someone tell me why I should gives a rats ass about some homeless punk several states over that chooses to be a burden on society?

    I mean really. I realize that we have some here that really beleive in the entitlement way of life, and that WE should take care of him, but I dont. For me, its simple. You dont work, you dont eat.Try that for awhile and see how long it takes to get someone back to working. Giving something, or anything to those that dont work for it just encourages laziness. In this case for 30 something years.
    Why do you call him a "punk?" He might be, but there is nothing in the story other than that he is 65 and homeless?
    For all you know he might have worked from 15 to 35, become ill or injured on the job, and never been able to work again.

    He is the victim of a crime.
    A crime which might not have happened if we did a little bit better job of policing; you are blaming the victim.

    As for the "why I should gives a rats ass about some homeless punk several states over," that begs the question of whether or not they should give a ..... about you and yours several states over from FL. It flows both ways.

    It also begs the question of whether or not your really believe the faith you frequently have professed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Why do you call him a "punk." He might be, but there is nothing in the story other than that he is 65 and homeless?
    For all you know he might have worked from 15 to 35, become ill or injured on the job, and never been able to work again.
    He is the victim of a crime. A crime which would not happen if we did a little bit better job of policing; you are blaming
    the victim.
    You're right, it was insensitive of me to call a guy laying around,higher than a kite, on an underpass of the interstate a punk. Perhaps I should have called him Mr.Homelssmanthatlivesontheinterstate. That would only work if he was the only one though, somehow I suspect that he wasnt.

    A better job of policing? You have got to be kidding me. You are blaming on the police because they werent there to stop it?

    Blaming the victim. Maybe. Maybe if he would have been doing something else that wouldnt have happened.Maybe if he was living a productive life, he wouldnt have gotten his face ate off. See the pictures of it? That homeless man was as high as a kite and may not have even realized what was happening. I put both of them at fault. I blame him about like I blame a battered woman that chooses to stay with her batterer. Bad choices seem to be a way with some people.Now one of them is dead, thankfully, and the other is laying in a hosptial that we are all paying for.

    Great. Just great.
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    As much as I hate to say it, I find that as I bear increasingly ludicrous out of pocket costs as a contributing member to the joke called the health care system in the USA, my compassion for others who benefit on my dollar wanes. I feel that this is wrong, but it is also true. The net result being limits to what I would be willing to fund to this victim. What is the limit, I can't say.

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    https://www.oag.state.tx.us/victims/about_comp.shtml

    The concept is simple enough. Criminals should pay for the costs they caused their victims to incur.

    As for the rest of it, some want to live in a dog eat dog world; others want a civil society. Choose, but choose
    wisely. Be careful what you wish for if you think the dog eat dog world is a good one; you might get eaten just
    like this guy did.
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    you might get eaten just
    like this guy did.
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    Why don't they rip the face off of the dead guy and use what is left of his sorry dead body to repair the damage he caused?

    Organs and flesh are harvested from the dead all the time. Corneas, heart, lungs, kidneys, bone etc.

    What would be the difference? The Police shot and killed him, he's dead and will just decompose in a lonely grave someplace and feed worms. His body could be used to undo some of the damage it caused.

    There are also many charitable organisations who would help to pay costs for this mans surgery and hospital stay, or doctors, surgeons,etc who would donate their time and talent because it is the right thing to do.

    It shouldn't matter if he was homeless or Bill Gates, people who are victims of a crime like this are in no way responsible of the offense that was placed upon them, and something should be done to help the man.
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