You know, not all that many years back (because this changed during the Bush II admin post 9/11) we could travel
Originally Posted by kapnketel
in Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean with nothing more than a Voter Registration Card and some sort of picture ID; typically
it was a DL, but it didn't have to be. Now, gotta have a passport. Do you folks realize 1) how much more money it now
costs to travel (plus the trouble of getting the stuff together) 2) for how little security gain we really get. [Especially with regard to airline travel since everyone is searched anyhow.]
In response to Oakchas post 22, I'd almost rather have that implanted chip. And here is why. To take it from you
they'd have to hog tie you and surgically remove it. Papers. Any clerk, cop, can seize them for any made up reason at any time.
Or, some clerk can just be in a bad mood and decide what you have doesn't look right. Or, that's the day they don't feel liking
See folks, once we go down this path-- and we are now way too far down this road for our own good, we open the door
to truly giving up our person-hood to arbitrary power. It isn't really all that different than what you all complain about
regarding not having constitutional carry; states with may issue. Once someone can deny issuing your papers for what they
deem is a good reason, you lose.
We are going to all lose if we don't turn this around.
The cure is worse than the disease.
Why don't we just let anyone that knows their own name vote. Think of the possibilities,my 5 year old grandson could vote, my dog could vote. Let's print the ballots in several languages. I've got no problem with voter id but I do have a problem with tin foil as clothing.
You don't have to be a citizen to get a state issued ID. Just spend five minutes in No, Va. and you'll see what I mean.
I think it's more geared toward keeping people such as the dead from voting long after they've passed. And other types of fraud like that.
A college-issued ID isn't state identification. Seems clear (to me) that it doesn't keep students from voting; rather, it simply requires the student have a state-issued ID like everyone else if he/she intends to vote.
Originally Posted by Crowman
No problem Hoppy. Let's just get these cute little MICR barcode tattoos on our scalp while we're at it. No need to bring that old wallet everywhere, medical records, no problem. Most peoples hair would cover it anyway. I always thought the saying was trading liberty for security. Maybe it should have been trading liberty for convenience.
Sorry to take it out on the messenger buddy. :)
Let's not forget the Ohio state motto. Vote Early and Vote Often!
Bubba - What's your dogs name? Shhh....Let the Dog answer!:smile:
Oh good God.....no it isn't. That is ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Crowman
Yes it did.
Originally Posted by kerberos
They do not have to have a DL from TN. A state issued ID is all they have to have. A DL, A state ID card and several other forms of ID will do. If a kid is going to college in TN then they can get their butt down to the office to get a state issued ID card. If they're are mature enough to vote and be out on their own I would think it isn't too much to expect them to be able to obtain a damn ID card from the state they reside in.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
Yeah, they are. And they have the little UV lights that are designed to make the hologram on the DL/ID show up. That is something less than likely to be present on a fake DL or state ID.
Originally Posted by oakchas
Voter fraud is a fairly large problem in Shelby County Tennessee. If you are unaware of it, Shelby County is the county that the city of Memphis is in. And the city of Memphis Tennessee is a real pit of political fraud and slime. It is very common for dead people to vote for the libs who are running. It is very common for people to be paid by the libs running to vote multiple times for them, in multiple precincts. The Ford family, a huge lib/Democrat family has dominated the local political scene for generations here. They have multiple members of the family that have served prison time for voter fraud and other crimes. So excuse me if I do not share your paranoid/delusional tendencies about having to show a state issued picture ID card to vote here. This election cycle may be the most fair that Shelby County has ever seen. And no one is being disenfranchised. That is just total BS.
Here is how:
Originally Posted by archer51
At their best, provisional ballots provide voters who would otherwise be turned away from the polls to have their votes counted, but at their worst, the offer of a provisional ballot can be "a way to brush off troublesome voters by letting them think they have voted."
Provisional ballot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Similar to the "Poll Tax" of old.....
The term was widely used in the South at the turn of the 20th century in combination with other measures as a means of disfranchisement to bar poor people, especially blacks, from voter registration and voting.
Tax per head - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As to the statements of one provides ID when writing a check, using a credit card, etc..... It is the old "apples and oranges" argument. One does not have to write check, use credit cards, buy guns, etc., the Constitution deals with the government and not what private enterprise requires. A drivers license is a privilege and not a right.
Our polling places generally aren't posted.
We have an ID law as well, and have no issues with it what so ever. Long ago, you had to have an ID and voter registration card on you to vote, don't know why that ever stopped.
I know I showed up to vote once, and they informed me I already had... and was checked off. After some time, they finally figured out they were supposed to have marked someone else and had accidentally marked it next to my name.
It stopped when liberals realized how easy it would be to commit fraud and get themselves the needed votes to win they otherwise could not get by convincing people that their way was the right way. And it continues because fools believe voter ID laws are designed to disenfranchise poor people and minorities.
Originally Posted by Eagleks
I don't know where you live, how old you are, or what your experiences have been, but NOT that long ago no one needed
Originally Posted by Eagleks
an ID for much of anything. Maybe for you young folks this all seems normal. It isn't normal.
In my experience, and I have voted in NY, Iowa, and Texas; and lived in CT, Minnesota, one registered to vote by signing
an affidavit that one was a citizen. THat was under oath and if you were lying could be caught and punished. You
signed that, received a voter registration card in the mail, and brought that with you to the polling place. You showed it to the clerk, and signed on their books, and signatures had to match--- matching signatures is what prevented one person from voting
more than once.
All the other uses of ID are relatively new. Not needed to travel in N. America and the Carribean until after 9/11.
Not needed to check into a hotel until after 9/11. Not needed to open a bank account until sometime around 2000/ maybe
after 9/11 I'm unsure. We didn't need ID to board a plane until the early 1990s. Congress never voted for that, it just happened.
Soc. Sec. You used to get that when you got a job. Then you needed it if you had a dependent over a certain age. Then they began issuing them at birth. It was done to keep folks from claiming non-existent dependents.
The Hibel case only affirmed that you have to state your name to police officers, not that you must carry ID.
I was at a bank yesterday. They had a sign stating that you needed a soc. sec. number to open an account, makes sense, and that
you need to give your name and address, fine, and that you MAY (not will) be asked for a photo ID.
This business of needing ID at docs and dentists has to do with something called Red Flag rules; which are FTC regulations and
not law. While supposed to protect against ID theft, they actually promote it by putting your information on the least
secure computers around--- those in private small offices where the proprietors can't afford high tech security gurus.
Again, the cure here is worse than the disease. Stop it now.