Heroin overtaking Northern Kentucky

This is a discussion on Heroin overtaking Northern Kentucky within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by ericb327 Yep, heroin users unknowingly supporting terrorism! Originally Posted by Spirit51 Heroin users are killing themselves. Do you really think they care ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb327 View Post
    Yep, heroin users unknowingly supporting terrorism!
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Heroin users are killing themselves. Do you really think they care about anyone else?
    Clearly, there's a trail of blood.

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    Drugs are probably behind 80+% of today's crime...OMO
    What a waste of life...
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    I would have to agree.
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    It's everywhere.....stealing, robbing, killing, no jobs, illegals coming over the border= government doing just enough to say they're actively doing something about it.
    Just like us belonging to the UN that allows nations a veto power ( China, Russia ) that supports terrorist nations that work against western nations. Something is very rotten and it's stinks like heck. Even a child can see it...and their wanting to address our 2nd adm rights through through a UN arms treaty.
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    Lets bring back Agent Orange and Napalm. Turn those Poppy fields into more desert.
    We are sending billions to countries that oppose our existence. But those who call for aggressive actions overseas, just haven't learned the lessons of our involvement of Vietnam. We need to protect our own - not poison poppy fields - and certainly not pay foreign farmers not to grow.
    You may not know that Wachovia was fined for laundering over $100B of cartel money. You want war? Before you volunteer more of our most able to trample foreign fields, you better know that we're fighting New York and London bankers, politicians, and their dense financial system instead of some poor foreign farmer.
    Over a hundred years ago, 1.3% of the U.S. population was addicted. Heroin and Cocaine were available to anyone by mail order. It was alcohol that law enforcement targeted for prohibition.
    After 40 years of our spending $1T on the drug war, 1.3% of our population is addicted. The drug war is doing nothing but choking our prisons (we have the highest number of prisoners of any country in absolute terms - most are for drugs), clogging our courts, and killing our cops. If consenting adults choose addiction, the best solution - and one that the founders might accept - is to tax their purchase to fund treatment, education, and addiction health.
    Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pistology View Post
    Clearly, there's a trail of blood.
    Great post, you nailed it. The drug war has been a huge disaster and waste of money, want to talk about lowering the debt? Banish the DEA!

    We have more people in prison than any civilized nation, and people cheer when a dealer is busted? Another one just takes his place, it does nothing to change it. Like I said, we kicked the Taliban out and they were stopping the poppy fields from growing, so technically it's out fault anyway.

    By keeping it illegal we've created a black market, and I'd think people against banning guns would understand that it can't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutkiller View Post
    The last time we had a heroin epidemic this bad was during the Vietnam War. And it's no coincidence. The Taliban all but wiped out poppy production by 2000, the year before 9/11 and the American invasion.

    Opium production in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    How come poppy production soars under our watch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveJohnson View Post
    Great post, you nailed it. The drug war has been a huge disaster and waste of money, want to talk about lowering the debt? Banish the DEA!

    We have more people in prison than any civilized nation, and people cheer when a dealer is busted? Another one just takes his place, it does nothing to change it. Like I said, we kicked the Taliban out and they were stopping the poppy fields from growing, so technically it's out fault anyway.

    By keeping it illegal we've created a black market, and I'd think people against banning guns would understand that it can't work.
    The one's waging the drug war are leading the sheep with the moral issue. Sorry, legislators can't solve the moral failings of the world. I hate it. But there it is.
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    I've heard of about 14 deaths related to Herion just in one month when we had a mix if herion and fentanay... surprisingly but there are a lot of "soccer moms" that were addicted to reguar pain meds, then OC's and graduated to Herion! Turns good people bad fast!
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    The USA has laws on the books but our officials turn a blind eye on a lot of wrong in this country. Criminals just get slaps on the wrist a lot of times, close the borders, control spending and get inflation under control. Get our middle class working jobs back in this country. If this country wanted to put a major stop on drugs they could in a month. All they want to do is talk and pass more laws to say they r doing something.
    Heroin overtaking northern Kentucky??? Drugs have got a death grip on this whole country and the punishment for bringing major drug shipments in this country should be death if caught and convicted of such. Only way it will ever get slowed down...It is a captial offense because it is killing people through robberies, and other violent crimes.
    The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard58 View Post
    The USA has laws on the books but our officials turn a blind eye on a lot of wrong in this country. Criminals just get slaps on the wrist a lot of times, close the borders, control spending and get inflation under control. Get our middle class working jobs back in this country. If this country wanted to put a major stop on drugs they could in a month. All they want to do is talk and pass more laws to say they r doing something.
    Heroin overtaking northern Kentucky??? Drugs have got a death grip on this whole country and the punishment for bringing major drug shipments in this country should be death if caught and convicted of such. Only way it will ever get slowed down...It is a captial offense because it is killing people through robberies, and other violent crimes.
    Prohibition doesn't work, it's been shown time and time again. So you could make it a capital offense and the risk for the reward would still have people doing it.

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    Facts? I can't show facts due to investigations of incidents but u get on a city police force and it won't take long to change ur way of thinking on how things are going down the drain. Somewhere along the way this country is going to meet in the middle with the third world countries that we have sent our factories too and who we are getting drugs and gas from. Just can't keep paying out like this on the losing end. BTW I don't want to be somewhere and see that kind of abuse first hand. But I seen the results of it through shattered lives. The sheep gets the soft side of violent crimes in the news to make it easier to read and digest.
    The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.

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    So legalize drugs and reap the tax benefits from it for revenue. Why not just turn a blind eye on everything and let the people find their on way? I don't think so, a bar has to be set to protect the frail, innocent, and our women and children to maintain a moral standard of living.
    The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard58 View Post
    So legalize drugs and reap the tax benefits from it for revenue. Why not just turn a blind eye on everything and let the people find their on way? I don't think so, a bar has to be set to protect the frail, innocent, and our women and children to maintain a moral standard of living.
    Prohibition does. not. work. It didn't work for alcohol, it hasn't worked for drugs and it wouldn't work for guns. You just create crime!

    Portugal decriminalized all drugs and guess what? Rates of abuse dropped.

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    These bums who keep these girls doped up need to get what they have coming to them. I know the girls/guys who go there in the first place have a responsibilty to stay away from those type of people but once hooked they will do whatever it takes to get the next one. America is in trouble, with so many on this herion and pain meds they have no backbone, its impossible for them to work and do simple tasks. This is a large part of the welfare and disablity. Most of the disabled are considered Bipoler and its because of drugs,though the medical community trys to spin it and say that drugs are a symtom of an underlying problem. Mabey it is, I dont know.I do know we need to change course in America and get back to the America that once existed.. Not this MTV generation.. damn I sound like an old man lol,

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    I think the point is that drugs can own people, that what we are doing to combat the drug problem isn't working, and that, no, prohibition does not work except for the profit of the immoral and the outcasts of society because we can't legislate or force moral behavior of the consumers - especially addicts. And holy wars don't work because the church is full of sinners top to bottom. We have to learn that we can't engineer a moral society through legislation and enforcement and certainly not through war.

    Some want to present the drug menace as a scary enemy so sheep will acquiesce to their trampling of liberties with the great drug scare: ramp up the penalties on par with Communist and totalitarian regimes; and you have the same problem with prisons and the criminal justice system, and the people won't stand for the violation of the founding principles of this country.

    So the logical choice is decriminalization. Let the free market price drugs. Girls can afford them without succumbing to the base demands of suppliers who command a monopoly by gangster violence. The laws actually cause death and destruction as people have nowhere to turn for help. Decriminalize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pistology View Post
    And holy wars don't work because the church is full of sinners top to bottom.
    You hit the bulls' eye with that round! The oxymoron "holy war" is the worst form of hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pistology View Post
    How come poppy production soars under our watch?
    Both sides in Afghanistan are using poppy production to fund covert and other activities. The Taliban is fully supportive of poppy production at this point in time. During Vietnam, a great deal of heroin was smuggled out by MAC planes (military airlift command) and it was processed by Laotian, Burmese and Thai warlords in the Golden Triangle, often smuggled to the Viet coast with the aid of South Vietnamese generals, where it was taken from there. Another good example is the wars in Central America during the 1980's. It was no coincidence again that our country suffered a cocaine epidemic at that point. One buddy of mine was living in Costa Rica, north of San Jose (towards Nicaragua), at the time as an ex-pat and it got too hairy for him. Told me once the 10,000 acre ranch across the road had six airstrips which were only used at night. He was given to understand it was guns in, drugs out.

    As for legalizing drugs, we would be trading one evil for another. Hopefully we choose the lesser of evils. Europe went along way towards legalizing drugs and ended up with needle parks and subsidized junkies. That probably beats being thrown in with violent felons and being subjected to the abuses that go with imprisonment in America today. This country's in deep trouble and I have my doubts one figurehead or another in the White House will make much difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveJohnson View Post
    Prohibition does. not. work. It didn't work for alcohol, it hasn't worked for drugs and it wouldn't work for guns. You just create crime!

    Portugal decriminalized all drugs and guess what? Rates of abuse dropped.
    Or is it that now that's it's legal no one tracks it. After all who's tracking the "rate" of aspirin use here in the US?
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