Mass Murder, Pre-Pistol

Mass Murder, Pre-Pistol

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    Mass Murder, Pre-Pistol

    The shooting spree that killed 12 people in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater on Friday has sparked a public debate about the availability of automatic weapons. Gun control advocates argue that mass murder is exceedingly difficult without them. One source told the Washington Post, Its kind of hard to be a pseudo-commando with a musket in the 18th century. How did people commit mass murder before the advent of automatic weapons?
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    Aurora Shooting: How did people commit mass murder before automatic weapons? - Slate Magazine


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    Even with automatic weapons available Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacey, Dennis Rader and Gary Ridgway along with many others did not need or use them. And they each were quite successful in their endeavors.
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    Do you think in the 1800 someone was trying to ban bill hooks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Even with automatic weapons available Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacey, Dennis Rader and Gary Ridgway along with many others did not need or use them. And they each were quite successful in their endeavors.
    Those were serial killers killing one at a time (mostly... Bundy killed at least two people together). Mass murderers not mentioned in the article that didn't use automatic weapons include Timothy McVeigh and the 9/11 hijackers, though.
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    Mass murder was very hard until they started trying to prevent people from carrying. Back in old west when everyone carried they had less murder than now. Back then you pulled your gun odds were somebody was gonna shoot your ass, so you only pulled when it was a necessity or somebody needed shooting.

    Mass murder is always a possibility. it's just easier with a gun when no one can shoot back. Takes more planning without but it can be done.


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    Just a few degrees off topic, my grandfather hunted deer with a Winchester .351 Self-Loading rifle a few years before WW1 - over 20 years before the American military adopted the semi-auto rifle for infantry use. The point is that the civilian arms market drove what the military ultimately adopted - thus the argument that civilians shouldn't have access to the the types of weapons the military has is simply ludricous. The civvies got there first!
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    There have been no civilian mass murders with automatic weapons.

    So the whole article is moot.
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    In a crowded movie theater, most effective weapons for killing the masses would be a nerve agent, explosive, fire, firearms, hand weapons, and hands, in decreasing order. Of the firearms, a 12 gauge shotgun, (any semi-auto) loaded with #2, #1, #0, or #00 buck would be the most effective. So automatic weapons are not THE issue, nor ANY issue for that matter.
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    Any one determined to commit such an atrocity is going to find the means to do it. Guns are a tool. The real danger is the person with the intent. The 911 hijackers committed mass murder without using an automatic weapon (and didn't even use one to take over the plane). Such articles are scare tactics. Guns are not the real problem, evil people are. Good people in society need guns to protect themselves from bad people with weapons.
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