DHS Purchases Massive Explosive Nitrates – Scrubs History -- WHY?

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    Exclamation DHS Purchases Massive Explosive Nitrates – Scrubs History -- WHY?

    August 13, 2012 by Tim Brown

    Can anyone explain what the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) needs with 700 pounds of High Density Ammonium Nitrate and 700 pounds of A-5 Flake RDX? Well the DHS placed a solicitation by way of the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) for these products with a delivery date of August 31, 2012. For those of you in the know, these are the ingredients to build a makeshift bomb. However the project claims it is for “Canine Explosive Training Aids”. One wonders what they need with over half a ton of explosive nitrates.

    Congress gave oversight to DHS of procurement of ammonium nitrate after requesting they “regulate the sale and transfer of ammonium nitrate by an ammonium nitrate facility…to prevent the misappropriation or use of ammonium nitrate in an act of terrorism.”

    Susanne Posel writes, The Ammonium Nitrate Security Program focuses on preventing a terrorist attack by use of ammonium nitrate in a home-made bomb by requiring that its sale and those that purchase it be registered with the DHS. Purchasers are screened against the Terrorist Screening Database (TSDB).

    In the solicitation, the DHS did not specify information that a corporation seeking to reply with a bid would need. In addition, DHS is requesting that high density ammonium nitrate and RDX (the required booster) be delivered to an undisclosed government facility in downtown Atlantic City, NJ.

    The Pentagon has come before Congress decrying that domestic terrorist attacks may increase with the use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in the US. They are asking Congress to lay aside Posse Comitatus (PCA) in an effort to increase their use of military on the streets of America. DHS has already put in massive orders for 450 million .40 hollow point bullets, bullet proof booths and various other supplies. One wonders if they are preparing for a civil war or something else.

    Ed Corcoran writes, In order to detonate ammonium nitrate, the use of a booster is required. Commercially, Pentolite and RDX are used as a booster, while the military will often use TNT as the booster.

    Instead of using a poor quality analog (aka hamburger) for Ammonium Nitrate to train dogs, they are requesting High Density, or the Kobe Beef of Ammonium Nitrate (AN). And in order to detonate the AN, RDX is used. The Department of Homeland Security is requesting BOTH components of a binary explosive compound to be delivered to a government facility in downtown Atlantic City, New Jersey.

    To put the amount of explosives into perspective, Timothy McVeigh used 5,000 pounds of AN and motor racing fuel. RDX has a much greater explosive capacity than racing fuel, and McVeigh was a party to mass murder and destruction that would be on par with these materials being detonated.

    Assuming arguendo, if a dog needed only 1 ounce of each material in order to be trained and tested, there is enough material for 11,200 dogs at the same time.
    This is just a friendly public service announcement. This is simply FYI should there be something taking place in the next month or two on a grand scale. According to our federal government there is nothing to worry about. In fact, they’ve taken the time to scrub it from their history, Orwellian style.


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    Things will get far more "interesting" than this.
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    We regret to inform you that during the transport of these materials,the UPS truck was hijacked and we have no idea where these materials are I can see it now
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    Probably the last we'll hear of it. Same when the IRS and department of education put in an order for a stockpile of weapons. If there was follow up, I never heard?

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    It almost looks like our government is procuring weapons in a wierd and hard to track manor so that the people of the country would be none the wiser...I'm not the tin foil hat kind but some of the tin foil hat types that I know say that Obama is going to stage a terrorist attack so that he can declare martial law and undermine the upcoming election. I think something like that is a pretty long shot to say the least, but that's what popped into my head when I read this.
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    Hmmmmm 503 airports with commercial service in the U.S. That comes to about one pound and what? Six or seven ounces per airport? Oh, but wait a minute! DHS also checks cargo in places like the Port of Houston, Baltimore, New York, etc. They use explosives detector dogs too. Oh and these are also "consumables" Sometimes as part of training agencies like to blow stuff up so the guys taking the class can see what they up against if they screw up.

    You know it would be interesting if these guys that are trying to get us all wound up about this stuff would compare these purchases to previous ones. Would it be as exciting if this purchase was only half what they had bought five years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    August 13, 2012 by Tim Brown

    Can anyone explain what the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) needs with 700 pounds of High Density Ammonium Nitrate and 700 pounds of A-5 Flake RDX? Well the DHS placed a solicitation by way of the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) for these products with a delivery date of August 31, 2012. For those of you in the know, these are the ingredients to build a makeshift bomb. However the project claims it is for “Canine Explosive Training Aids”. One wonders what they need with over half a ton of explosive nitrates.

    Read more: DHS Purchases Massive Explosive Nitrates - Scrubs History : Freedom Outpost
    Obviously it is to open those suit cases that people locked, but were supposed to leave unlocked at the airport terminals.

    This is another agency that needs to be dismantled before it gets out of hand.
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    Oh yeah, we can't forget that Customs and Border Protection is DHS as well. So we have to figure out how many bomb dogs we have working border crossings from Brownsville to San Diego and from Washington to Maine. Oh yeah, can't forget Alaska and Hawaii and the territories.
    And we have to be able to check cruise ships at the various ports too.
    Is 700 pounds of each enough?
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    Detection dogs are not trained to find the target material. They are trained to find the odor of the target material. That is an important distinction to keep in mind.

    Dogs have two ways of communicating to us that they have found scent.

    They have a change in body language. Anybody that has every hunted with bird dogs knows the phrase “the dogs are birdy.” The dog has scent but can’t yet locate the source of the scent.

    Then they also have a trained final response. This is where the dogs “tells” us “hey!! I found scent and it’s right here!!”

    This may be pointing if you are flushing birds or it could be a sit, lay down, bark, scratch/dig depending on the dogs training and what they are hunting for.

    Dogs are typically trained on relatively small amounts of source material. This can lead to a dog being “overwhelmed” by odor when they encounter a large amount of substance.

    As an example, let’s say a cadaver dog is normally trained on less than 5 pound of human tissue. They are trained to locate the odor, find the area with strongest concentration, then lay down. Then the handler rewards them. Then people start looking for the actual material, the human remains.

    The first time that cadaver dog is exposed to a full size dead human, they very well may not give the trained final response. They may just move from point to point “looking birdy” because there is so much scent that it appears to be everywhere to them. They can't locate a strongest concentration.

    Now if during controlled training, the dog is exposed to a high level of odor, ie more source material, they will be familiar with that saturation of scent and should be able to work out the problem. Then locate the highest level of concentration and give a trained final response. Then the people starts looking for that material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Hmmmmm 503 airports with commercial service in the U.S. That comes to about one pound and what? Six or seven ounces per airport? Oh, but wait a minute! DHS also checks cargo in places like the Port of Houston, Baltimore, New York, etc. They use explosives detector dogs too. Oh and these are also "consumables" Sometimes as part of training agencies like to blow stuff up so the guys taking the class can see what they up against if they screw up.

    You know it would be interesting if these guys that are trying to get us all wound up about this stuff would compare these purchases to previous ones. Would it be as exciting if this purchase was only half what they had bought five years ago?
    I think your answer is probably the right one.

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    The fact that they need these materials for training makes perfect sense to me. The only part that concerns me is the part about the history of the order being scrubbed or hidden. Hiding the purchase, if that is what happened, only fuels the conspiracy flames.

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    I guess my only question is... So what? Let's assume the ABSOLUTE WORST, MOST OUT-THERE CONSPIRACY THEORY POSSIBLE - the Govt is planning on attacking their own citizens in an effort to tighten governmental controls. Does anyone honestly think that they would need to buy/make ANFO to do it? Really? You don't think that, of all the possible ways to stage an internal terror attack on your own citizens, having DHS buy a few hundred pounds of fertilizer is the best that the evil gub'mint could come up with? What about, you know, the millions upon millions of pounds of explosives that the govt already has control over? What about ANY other plan making more sense than this one? This whole concept fails - drastically and in every way - the common sense test.
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    But..... But..... if they used stuff they already had we wouldn't be able to have some vendor scratch his head and say....
    "You know what? That blast was exactly like what you would get with the stuff I sold them last month!"

    And they "scrubbed it" so well......
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    the world is gonna end in 4 months anyways.

    they probably want all this for the same reason they bought that million or whatever rounds of 40 fmj that can only be used inside the u.s....
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