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This is a discussion on Caribou Coffee denies access to DC within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by CanuckQue QKShooter: that's a pretty vitriolic post for something that has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Although the post was ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckQue View Post
    QKShooter: that's a pretty vitriolic post for something that has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.
    Although the post was not directed towards me, QKShooter's post absolutely has to do with the First Amendment by way of filtering sites prevents the site's "speech" from reaching a desiring audience. I do recognize there instance where the public good (say filtering out pornography, for example) is served by filtering though absolutists would argue otherwise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    The Marion County Library wi-fi site does exactly the same thing. Nothing about weapons, guns, etc.
    Now THAT is disturbing. A library funded with tax dollars? I'd be Don Quixote saddling up to tilt at that windmill pronto. Coffee joints and other private commercial places can limit all they want, but not a public library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckQue View Post
    This is too weird. I've never been at a restaurant that offered WiFi, but then blocked specific sites. Okay, maybe that's not true, I've never pushed the boundaries and done completely inappropriate uploading.
    When it comes to coffee, at least 50% of the purchasing decision should be based on how they treat the coffee bean farmers (the other 50% is obviously taste and convenience). I cannot imagine having to then choose based on what WiFi they offer. It seems so silly.

    QKShooter: that's a pretty vitriolic post for something that has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.
    Trying to connect to NRA.org, americanrifleman.org and mittromney.com., is completely inappropriate uploading?
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    I concur with the above posts that it is likely a default setting in a content filter application. I doubt if it is the company themselves making a statement. I would recommend that you send a letter stating that you tried to access (list of sites) and found them blocked. Then state why they should not be blocked and ask that they fix this.
    I would reserve the threat of going elsewhere until you get their response, as they may agree with you.

    @all, as a point of reference, restricting speech as a convenience or tool is NOT limited to the left or liberals.

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    Its called selective censorship and is nothing new.

    Even this forum restricts what you can say or what you can post.

    I would not be a customer of that establishment and ensure that management new why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Ultra-Liberal Lefties have absolutely no problems with the 1st Amendment as long as what is said is what they personally happen to agree with.

    A fact that has been proved time and time again.

    Find another coffee shop. Your coffee from someplace else won't leave such a bitter taste in your mouth.
    In bold:what 1st A issue? Mods here make it clear that they have the right to censure what they want on DC. What is good for the goose is good for the gander ya know.
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    Plenty of places to get coffee!
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    The dell taco near me is the same way. Dc categorized as weapons? C'mon! I submitted it for review along with a complaint and will wait to see what happens. As if the food wasn't enough of a deterrent not to return....
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    Their Wifi their rules ........... kind of like here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    Their Wifi their rules ........... kind of like here.
    Ah yes, ye old property rights argument again. The cure for everything from lack of libido to hair loss. There are three options here: 1) try to get them to change it (a possible win-win), 2) go somewhere else, 3) use a secure proxy to go around the filter (the data content is none of their business anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40Bob View Post
    Its called selective censorship and is nothing new.

    Even this forum restricts what you can say or what you can post.

    I would not be a customer of that establishment and ensure that management new why.
    Suntzu In bold:what 1st A issue? Mods here make it clear that they have the right to censure what they want on DC. What is good for the goose is good for the gander ya know.
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    Guys, the 1st Amendment applies between citizens and their government. It doesn't apply to private property. If I'm on your property and say something you don't like, you have every right to ask me to leave - that has absolutely nothing to do with the 1A.

    This board is private property. The owner(s) have the right to specify what material is and is not suitable. And, they/we can delete inappropriate material without violating the 1A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMallNinja View Post
    Although the post was not directed towards me, QKShooter's post absolutely has to do with the First Amendment by way of filtering sites prevents the site's "speech" from reaching a desiring audience.
    You might be misunderstanding what the 1st Amendment is. It has nothing to do with a private business filtering what their WiFi emits, and everything to do with the government from trying to stop you from expressing yourself.

    It's not QKS's error that's the concern (we should all be willing to make mistakes publicly, so that we can learn new things. Learning is good.), it was the vitriol targeted towards an outgroup combined with the error that was the concern. Mistargeted vitriol makes the world a worse place.

    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Trying to connect to NRA.org, americanrifleman.org and mittromney.com., is completely inappropriate uploading?
    Not at all. I was thinking more of the 'illegal' porn or even 'hardcore porn'. I've never searched for these on any complimentary WiFi services, so I have no idea if there're filters already in place.
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    First of all I see no error in QKShooter's comments. He expressed an opinion that many of us agree with and gave some pertinent advice. Even if you disagree with his opinion, I don't see that anything he said is of a vitriol nature.

    If you are offended by the coffee shop, talk to the manager, if you get no satisfaction from that, take your business elsewhere.

    I see nothing vitriol about any of that.

    I'm having a similar issue with my Regions Bank. Some guys open carried, purportedly upset some customers so they put up a no guns notice. I have access to 9 banks in my area; two are Regions Banks and they are the only two that are posted. I have to decide whether I continue to do business with Regions or switch banks; I'm likely going to talk to the manager and if he refuses to remove the sign, I'll take my business elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Trying to connect to NRA.org, americanrifleman.org and mittromney.com., is completely inappropriate uploading?
    Don't forget defensivecarry.com

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