Attackers stapled his lips shut...not a hate crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMallNinja View Post
    I chose to chime in because it occurred in the country to which I have written a blank check for my life to preserve the principles of the United States Constitution, the Bille of Rights, and other amendments there unto. I raise you 5,000.
    I assumed you understood how an investigation works. My bad...I see your 6000 and raise it 5


    SIg35seven He apparently was beaten unconscious also. If he had a gun would he be justified in using it or are using guns considered not playing fair during college party games?
    Im not sure if you are joking or would like an answer to this question.

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    You're right. I have absolutely no idea about conducting victim and witness interviews (and re-interviews), collecting, preserving, and ensuring a logged chain of evidence, and developing a theory of what actually happened. Let me crawl back into my hole of ignorance while you explain to me how it all works in East Lansing.

    I await with baited breath so that I may receive the benefit of your wisdom and experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    I assumed you understood how an investigation works. My bad...I see your 6000 and raise it 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMallNinja View Post
    You're right. I have absolutely no idea about conducting victim and witness interviews (and re-interviews), collecting, preserving, and ensuring a logged chain of evidence, and developing a theory of what actually happened. Let me crawl back into my hole of ignorance while you explain to me how it all works in East Lansing.

    I await with baited breath so that I may receive the benefit of your wisdom and experience.
    LOL, you seem to have a firm grasp on your own reality. I will let you be in that reality.

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    If I witnessed that here in Texas, I would use lethal force to neutralize the perps as fast and efficiently as I could under title two, chapter nine, aggravated assault, unconscious victim, disparity of force, reasonable belief of grave bodily harm to victim.

    Heil this. Ill greatly increase the odds they meet him then and there to protect that victim.
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    Harryball, NotMallNinja, enough, take it to PM please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    LOL, you seem to have a firm grasp on your own reality. I will let you be in that reality.
    Unless you are an East Lansing Police Department LEO, a member of the Ingham County Prosecutor's Office, or a member of the Mayor's staff (darn, there goes that politicizing of hate crimes thing again), the information you suggest to be "in the know" of would not have been released to you. If you are none of these and it has been the very investigation you purport to know about has been compromised if one is to take your suggestions in this thread at face value.

    Furthermore, you know very little about my background and certainly not enough to know whether or not I have an understanding of how investigations work let alone whether or not I have formal training in conducting investigations.

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    It appears the jewish boy was annoying someone's girlfriend and got punched.


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    Until more information comes out I'll refrain from further comment as to the motives except to say that even assuming the kid was annoying someone's girlfriend (or annoying the boyfriend because he was talking to the girlfriend, etc.) it does not necessarily preclude that the statements and demonstrative gestures alleged to have occurred did not occur. Whether that falls within the realm of hate crime then remains to be seen. However, on face value the initial reports appeared to fall well within the hate crime statutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    So called "hate crime" punishments are simple wrong. One should be charged on what was done and not why it was done. As much as everyone would like to see America as one big "fuzzie feelie" place that isn't ever going to happen. Only place you can get Utopia is in the movies.

    All laws that deal with what is considered crime have sentencing guidelines and that is all that should be imposed upon someone. Murder is murder and it should matter not why a person did it when charged and sentenced.
    I agree with you on this. Charge them with the crime, the reason why is really of no benefit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig35seven View Post
    Soon come the Lawyers.
    Yep, daddy's already made the threat if it doesn't go his way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Yep, daddy's already made the threat if it doesn't go his way.
    The public officials have immunity in this situation so daddy's threat, whether real or veiled, is pointless. Only after a successful prosecution could the lawyers address the matter civilly. Of course, even if not charged with a hate crime at this point it could happen later on the federal level. If the kid shot his mouth off and then the attack occurred without the alleged Nazi and KKK references it is one thing. If it turns out the alleged Nazi and KKK references did occur, regardless of whether or not the kid shot of his mouth, then there is evidence of hate crime intent, prima facie.

    One thing I detest in all occasions is family immediately threatening to bring in the clowns when the investigation is in its infancy.

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    All violent crime is hateful, IMO. It's why it's called "violent crime." It's pointless for the statutory types (legislators) to wrangle over this or that act being a "hate" crime. That's not the point. It should all be handled as what it is: criminal violence requiring our stiffest response. Fines/restitution, imprisonment, execution ... it already covers such things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Yeah, thanks. I wasn't talking about manslaughter and I fully understood the definition or "murder" when I wrote that. I don't think a charge should be "upgraded" because of the motive behind it. A murder committed in order to take someone's possessions or a murder committed because you don't like someone's beliefs, or skin color, or sexual preference shouldn't be treated differently by the justice system.
    A manslaughter charge becomes upgraded entirely due to motive. Saying that you don't think people's motives should matter when it comes to committing a crime means that manslaughter and murder would become the same crime. All I'm saying is that motive already is a factor when it comes to changing the penalty of an offense; therefore a motive can be an aggravating factor.
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