If we could carry on a plane...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedrgr21 View Post
    The biggest benefit would be getting rid of TSA


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    That needs to happen regardless

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    The plane is not going to explosivley decompress and suck everyone out. Not over small arms fire and not unless it is drasticaly comprimised like the plane in Hawaii back in, I think the 80s. But anything sucked out will be lightweight or unsecured right near the hole when it rips open.

    As far as being a crowded confined space, well maybe we should just stop carrying anwhere in public.

    Shal NOT be infringed!

    I would rather risk some collateral damage and sort it out in court than watch helplessly as a city skyline gets bigger in my window.

    Rest in peace to my brother firefighters and all other 9/11 victims.
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    I'm not so worried about getting sucked out a window. But I've been in confined-space gunfire with unmuffed ears. It literally HURTS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    I'm not so worried about getting sucked out a window. But I've been in confined-space gunfire with unmuffed ears. It literally HURTS!
    I agree with you 100% on that pain but its still way better than the alternative. Im sure I wouldnt need to convince you of that though.
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    I am ALWAYS shocked at the outright hypocracy by supposed 2A proponents when faced with the proposal of airplane carry. I notice that all of a sudden these "die hard gun nuts" think that a lawfully armed citizen suddenly transforms into some wild west outlaw simply because he steps foot on a plane. Surprisingly the same tired rhetoric the left uses to restrict lawful carry (in whatever place and for whatever reason) spew so easily from the mouths (and keyboards) of my fellow armed brothers.

    When will we realize that "shall not be infringed" is more than just a cute quote and it actually means what it says. When will we REALLY stand up and fight for TRUE FREEDOM not just fight for the laws we like.

    Nor does it suddenly transform them into someone who has the proper training to engage a target in a confined space, on a possibly unstable aircraft, in a crowded enviroment. They will be the same person who bought their gun, applied and received their permit with posssibly no training required and who has not shot their firearm since they got it the year before.
    I think I will take my chances on a hijack and my ability to defend myself than Bob the mall ninja with his Kel Tec firing from the back row, over the drink cart, past the young couple in 46 J trying to hit the guy threatening to take over the plane.
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    I'm not saying that by stepping onto an airplane makes you a highly trained tactical specialist either. All I'm saying is that the lawfully armed citizen who carries on the ground does not become a reckless maniac in the air.

    Look, we are all fine with other people carrying anywhere and everywhere we go. Sure there is some risk that the other "good guy" has little to no training, but he/she is not restricted from carrying because of that. What makes a plane any different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    Nor does it suddenly transform them into someone who has the proper training to engage a target in a confined space, on a possibly unstable aircraft, in a crowded enviroment. They will be the same person who bought their gun, applied and received their permit with posssibly no training required and who has not shot their firearm since they got it the year before.
    I think I will take my chances on a hijack and my ability to defend myself than Bob the mall ninja with his Kel Tec firing from the back row, over the drink cart, past the young couple in 46 J trying to hit the guy threatening to take over the plane.
    You make a good point but then where do you draw the line? How is a crowded theater during opening night of a box office hit or maybe even more comparable, a bus any different?

    As far as a mall ninja type in this situation, they arnt just flying on planes. They are everywhere.
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    Great cartoon and so true!
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    Just look what you started mano3...

    You post a funny cartoon and then we make it all serious!

    Maybe this should spawn another thread,

    I'm really surprised at some of the comments.

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    For everyone that thinks it is a good idea to let folks stay armed on an airplane let me just say this:
    It is not hard for someone to get a CCP. So, with very little planning, a group of 10 or 20 BG's could be on board a plane and just casually show their CCP and have their guns.
    Now, let us say that 2-5 of them get up and start shooting people or holes in the plane. What happens next? Of course every cowboy on board stands up and starts shooting, not knowing of course who is who since they might have been reading a magazine at the time in row 46.

    So, the shooting starts, (you don't need big holes, but enough small ones in the right spots can do world of hurt. Parts flying into the engines ect...(or did nobody think of that when they said no big deal, only small things will fly out the window) Fuels tanks, hydraulics, the pilots.

    OK, now that the chaos has started, the other BG's (sleepers) start shooting and since they know who the BG's are they start shooting up the rest of the plane.

    Yeah, I am sure no terrorist would ever figure out that plan.

    You sure you want to make it easy to carry on board a plane?

    The passengers are better off charging the BG's who would have very little in the way of firearms under the current rules. And as far as taking a guy out with a bomb....if they got that far I would think they are bright enough to have a suicide switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanJim View Post
    Airplanes shot full of holes land safely all the time. Just ask any military pilot.

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    That is true. It also is true they are designed to take gunfire. Ever see how and why an A-10 was designed? The grueling test they use for helicopters. And you seem to forget there is why there are ejection seats, in case they do get shot up.

    Not a very good analogy.
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    LOL well last time I checked you can hit the exit on a theatre, or get off the bus but a plane is a little different.

    You are right about the mall ninja's they are everywhere. I have stated before and this is simply just my opinion. Some folks do not need to carry a spork much less a firearm but that is their right. There is not a thing you can do about their lack of training as no one wants anymore restrictions on firearms than is already in place.

    Suntzu brought up a good point. CCW's are fairly easy to get so the bad guys would be armed to and I have a feeling they would be a little better trained and have a different mindset than the average accountant with a CCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    LOL well last time I checked you can hit the exit on a theatre, or get off the bus but a plane is a little different.

    You are right about the mall ninja's they are everywhere. I have stated before and this is simply just my opinion. Some folks do not need to carry a spork much less a firearm but that is their right. There is not a thing you can do about their lack of training as no one wants anymore restrictions on firearms than is already in place.

    Suntzu brought up a good point. CCW's are fairly easy to get so the bad guys would be armed to and I have a feeling they would be a little better trained and have a different mindset than the average accountant with a CCW.
    I have no problem with your opinion at all, you an suntzu both have valid points which I dont disagree with.

    As far as exits are concerned, okay Ill give you the theater, I was just trying go with closed areas wih a lot of people. A bus is certainly better than 30k feet but I would say escape depends on the BGs intent. Yes they have emergency exits but there isnt much in the way of you and the BG for cover to escape.

    I deffinatley agree with suntzus point on any debris hitting the wings (fuel tank) and engines. Not sure if post 9/11 aircraft cockpits are bullet resistant to any caliber.
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    I'd be all for it. If we had enough armed citizens everywhere, we wouldn't have to worry about criminals. Think about it. If every criminal was shot seconds into the commission of a crime, wouldn't it have a serious effect on the overall crime rate? For one thing, there would be a lot less repeat offenders!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey2011 View Post
    I'd be all for it. If we had enough armed citizens everywhere, we wouldn't have to worry about criminals. Think about it. If every criminal was shot seconds into the commission of a crime, wouldn't it have a serious effect on the overall crime rate? For one thing, there would be a lot less repeat offenders!
    Maybe we should have stronger use of capital punishment for that matter but I digress.
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