If we could carry on a plane...

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    should there be levels of CCW permits?

    Absolutely. As a matter of fact I think Michigan is considering doing just that. An advanced course so to speak that would allow you to carry in otherwise restricted places.
    Keep in mind though this would mean required training in states that may otherwise not require any and further training and standards in states that already have mandated training.

    I would not have an issue with someone carrying who knew what they were doing but general purpose, everyday CC'er? Nope, would rather not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    should there be levels of CCW permits?

    Absolutely. As a matter of fact I think Michigan is considering doing just that. An advanced course so to speak that would allow you to carry in otherwise restricted places.
    Keep in mind though this would mean required training in states that may otherwise not require any and further training and standards in states that already have mandated training.

    I would not have an issue with someone carrying who knew what they were doing but general purpose, everyday CC'er? Nope, would rather not.
    Ahh...

    Common ground, I knew I would reach that destination with someone!

    I agree with the levels of permits, to some degree.

    Lots of gray area in that...

    Psychological testing, physical (vision, reaction time, etc.) would all be involved.

    It would be a political nightmare.




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    I'm sure there has been a thread on pro/con of CCW permit levels, but I seem to be totally ignorant of how to make the "search"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWBracelets View Post
    I'm not saying that by stepping onto an airplane makes you a highly trained tactical specialist either. All I'm saying is that the lawfully armed citizen who carries on the ground does not become a reckless maniac in the air.

    Look, we are all fine with other people carrying anywhere and everywhere we go. Sure there is some risk that the other "good guy" has little to no training, but he/she is not restricted from carrying because of that. What makes a plane any different?
    Unfortunately, on a heavily armed flight, if gunfire broke out, a LOT of gunfire would break out. Then who would know at whom to shoot? I'd prefer to take my chances with an armed agent trained for that specific event.
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    Got to agree with Tacman on this one. I'm all for a special permit being available for people who want to go for the specialized training but I don't get the warm and fuzzies thinking of an average CCWer carrying a gun on an airplane.

    Just think of the terrorists being permit holders. They were already trained as pilots in the US. What keeps them from recruiting some disgruntled US citizen with a permit who can carry a gun on board and just start shooting people? You want mass casualties? Shoot up the place, make the plane crash and whella.. you have 150 dead citzens for the prize of 12 rounds of ammo. No bomb needed.

    So, no.. I'm not feelin' the love on average people carrying on planes.

    Would I be willing to go to a school that certifies me to carry on a plane? Maybe! I think that would be some cool and challenging training. Then I would know that everyone who is armed on that plane is trained to the exact same level that I am (or, if I didn't take the training I could at least know that they are trained to a specific level) that, I assume would be a higher standard of training than that of the average Schmo.

    Everyone enjoy your flight.

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    I am talking to Harryball on skype now he confirms Michigan is doing just what we talked about.

    LT bad guys would not even have to recruit a CCW holder to shoot, just get the gun on the plane and hand it off.
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    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Well, my "levels" of CCW train just derailed...

    Something in OldVet's post did it.

    For anything like this to even be conceivable, consider most flights are from one state to another...

    Then here comes Big Bro to handle the situation of interstate permits and we all know where that one ends up!

    Oh well, it's still fun to debate about issues like these.

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    Found it!

    Search function was working for me today, don't know what I did different...

    Would you support multi-level CCW permits

    Good discussion in that thread...

    Just thought I'd link to it for any lurkers out there.

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    Heck, when I was young, keen & aggressive I always thought multi-level Driver's Licenses would be GREAT, with higher speed limits for more skilled drivers in more capable cars. But now that I have half-century old reflexes & eyesight...I think it's a TERRIBLE idea. Nowadays, even my (very capable) Porsche is driven a reasonable speeds. Youth is wasted on the young.

    I can only imagine how it would feel to have my Carry Permit, uh...downgraded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BkCo1 View Post
    So Suntzu you are going to charge the BGs with a cordinated attack. Who is going with you. That old lady sittng beside you or the over weight guy next to the window. Have you ever tried to get up and out of a seat in a hurry. Much less orginaze an atttack. I think you are dreaming my friend. Hand gun rounds are not going to bring that plane down.
    I belive everyone boarding a plane is issued a revolver loaded with frangible ammo.. That way everybody knows not to start trouble. Sure beats being slaughtered.
    Have at me friend.
    You are missed one huge point here. The premise is that you aboard theri weapons. I say if you do that you will have a bunch of BG's that can easily bring weapons on board and most likely will out number the CC'ers. They also have the advantage of possibly choosing seats, moving around to get into position, have sleepers. Again, the point is you want to make it easy for them to get weapons on board. This is a disaster which willl have a bad ending.

    Now, what I was trying to say is that under the current rules it is very difficult for the BG's to get weapons on board. So you might have one, two or three. And that is stretch. In that circumstance a lot of folks would be able to charge the BG's.
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    Is it too late to switch sides???

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerberos View Post


    Is it too late to switch sides???

    which one
    Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
    And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

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    show of hands .....who here has actually trained to shoot on an airplane, one that has landed with hostages or in flight? I will start....I have
    Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
    And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerberos View Post
    Is it too late to switch sides???
    Is that a question for aboard the plane or in this conversation? Yes on one, no on two.
    There are only TWO kinds of people in this world; those who describe the world as filled with two kinds of people...and those who don't.

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    Ahh...

    That was supposed to be a half-joke...

    I was just admitting that maybe I don't have it all figured out sometimes.

    It's healthy for me to do that from time to time.

    I can see where more guns on board an airplane could lead down a disastrous road, but even saying that (or typing it I guess) makes me cringe inside.

    Same logic could be applied to other situations without stretching too much.

    Hopefully (and I DO think so) most members here know where I'm coming from.

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    Remember "the streets will run red with bloood". Well how many cc's do you think would be on a plane? We are a minority wether you like it or not. You would have one may be two cc'ers on a plane. Picking out the bad guys would be easy because they would have to stand up and announce themselves. There are not sky marshals on every flight. Mostly overseas flights. Also you guys have a poor opinion of your fellow gun carriers. Sorry someone had to point that out.
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