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    Public Education = Communist Drivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Public Education = Communist Drivel.
    I have to ask, what do you define communism as. In your words, not definition wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    You should see those adorable kids at recess, goose-stepping in unison back & forth across the playground with their cute little brown shirts & swastika armbands. It's just precious & their folks are soooo proud.
    Recess? Ha! Where have you been? Kids haven't had recess for at least 10 years now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I will agree with that somewhat. I will tell you a story I heard at college the other night that will tick you off (and most every other intelligent person).
    The class was full of teachers and students getting their education degree. I will make this short.
    We were talking about how far teachers should go in elementary school about the elections. I said the only thing the teachers should do is teach the Constitution, the elctoral process, and basic bio information about the candidates (B-day, college, jobs, family, ect...)
    One lady said that was their job becasue the PARENTS do not do it at home and the teachers were better at telling the students which candidate is better than the other. At this point my blood boiled.
    Another lady said at her school they have a mock election but the ballots are not secret. The teacher will look at them and then advise the child why they chose the wrong candidate. Ove 80 percent in the room thought that was a great idea.

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    If I had a child and I found out about this I'd be having some very, very serious words with school administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveJohnson View Post
    I have to ask, what do you define communism as. In your words, not definition wise.
    Although you didn't ask me I will put my 2 cents in anyway.

    The published communist doctrine finds only one way that communism can be spread. Of course the main thrust of a definition of communism can be found in the word itself. Communal of course was born out of Karl Marx. The definition is basically everybody provides for the common good, shared wealth, responsibility, and work. This is what Obama is trying to achieve. We tried it in this country back in the 60's and 70's. It was highlighted in the movie "Easy Rider". There are no hippie communes left. The reason it doesn't work is because all power is sacrificed to a central government and the rest of us are required to feed the central government. All incentive for hard work and individualism is removed.

    Communism will flourish when the central government can separate the children from the family at a very early age. I don't mean take them physically, but get them indoctrinated by a communist education system very early, around 3 or 4 years old. Algore wanted to start mandatory preschool for 3 year olds. This is how communism begins to spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizjimbo View Post
    Although you didn't ask me I will put my 2 cents in anyway.

    The published communist doctrine finds only one way that communism can be spread. Of course the main thrust of a definition of communism can be found in the word itself. Communal of course was born out of Karl Marx. The definition is basically everybody provides for the common good, shared wealth, responsibility, and work. This is what Obama is trying to achieve. We tried it in this country back in the 60's and 70's. It was highlighted in the movie "Easy Rider". There are no hippie communes left. The reason it doesn't work is because all power is sacrificed to a central government and the rest of us are required to feed the central government. All incentive for hard work and individualism is removed.

    Communism will flourish when the central government can separate the children from the family at a very early age. I don't mean take them physically, but get them indoctrinated by a communist education system very early, around 3 or 4 years old. Algore wanted to start mandatory preschool for 3 year olds. This is how communism begins to spread.
    Good definition, but do you see public school as communist? It's socialist in the sense that we pay for it through taxes and it's "public" but communist? Far from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizjimbo View Post
    Although you didn't ask me I will put my 2 cents in anyway.

    The published communist doctrine finds only one way that communism can be spread. Of course the main thrust of a definition of communism can be found in the word itself. Communal of course was born out of Karl Marx. The definition is basically everybody provides for the common good, shared wealth, responsibility, and work.
    Actually Communal starts way before Marx, in English it was first used 1811 in reference to communes; 1843 in reference to communities, from Fr. communal (O.Fr. comunal, 12c.), from L.L. communalis, from communa. The old latin communalis means of or for the community, public.

    Early Christians practiced communal living see

    Acts 2:44-45

    Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

    Acts 4:32
    Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.

    In the 16th century Germany peasants practice this type of living which lead to the Anabaptists: Amish, Brethren, Hutterites, Mennonites. They were heavily prosecuted by Roman Catholics and Protestants, which lead to the mass migration to the Ukraine and North America.

    Police, Fire departments and the Military are all example of Communal actions, so are roads, water and sewer works etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    Actually Communal starts way before Marx, in English it was first used 1811 in reference to communes; 1843 in reference to communities, from Fr. communal (O.Fr. comunal, 12c.), from L.L. communalis, from communa. The old latin communalis means of or for the community, public.

    Early Christians practiced communal living see

    Acts 2:44-45

    Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

    Acts 4:32
    Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.

    In the 16th century Germany peasants practice this type of living which lead to the Anabaptists: Amish, Brethren, Hutterites, Mennonites. They were heavily prosecuted by Roman Catholics and Protestants, which lead to the mass migration to the Ukraine and North America.

    Police, Fire departments and the Military are all example of Communal actions, so are roads, water and sewer works etc...
    Not to turn this into a religious debate, but that was because they considered each other brethren. They all believed the same and all were considered part of the body of Christ. The big difference is, they did that of their own choice, not because of a government mandate.
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    Looks like just another political ad just ahead of an election, to me, clearly aimed at the adults in the crowd. Meaning, at least so far is this one group's "message" is concerned, it's what they're teaching adults to believe ... at least, this election.

    At best, its message is something akin to the 1970's PSA by the Ad Council on "Keeping America Beautiful" (click), though nowhere near as elegant or on-the-mark.

    Sure, this one's got children mouthing the words in the ad, but I'd say that is no more indicative of school curricula anymore than a has-been actor hawking XYZ product means he/she likes it or has one.

    But there is a point and that is we are responsible for our children's future, and if we let the country go down the toilet we will be blamed.
    Yup. As we and our predecessors should be. We're most certainly not (as a whole) treating things as though we're considering the seventh generation of children in the equation.
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    "The ad is the brainchild of Jeff Goodby and Rich Silverstein, of the San Francisco-based Goodby Silverstein & Partners, for their Future Children Project. The Future Children Project states on its website, “Re-electing President Obama is a momentous decision that will require every single voter. What would the children of the future say if we let them down this November?”

    According to the San Francisco Chronicle, Goodby is a registered Republican who said he has some concerns about “the direction the party is going,” while Silverstein said he was spurred by the “huge implications for the future” the presidential election will have."

    First link, please don't listen to alarmist nutjob Glenn Beck. The guy is a crazy person.

    It's an independent group that supports Obama, calling it an Obama ad says something different. Since the rest is from Beck I'll summarily dismiss it.

    The islamic hand sign thing? Bwahahaha, yeah no. It has no evidence but claims.

    "Harris’ next-door neighbor, William Moore, told PilotOnline.com that Harris is not a Muslim. “They’re the nicest people you ever wanted to meet,” he said.

    “Ahmed Noor, a trustee at the Mosque and Islamic Center of Hampton Roads in Hampton, said there are no hand gestures in the religion of Islam; however as different cultures practice the religion, there could be a culture that both practices Islam and uses some sort of hand gesture,” PilotOnline.com reports."

    What's the issue with the yoga thing? It's exercise! This is how the internet is being abused, people aren't reading the whole thing. They read the title and imagine the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paaiyan View Post
    Not to turn this into a religious debate, but that was because they considered each other brethren. They all believed the same and all were considered part of the body of Christ. The big difference is, they did that of their own choice, not because of a government mandate.
    Sorry for the rabbit trail, I was just stating the word communal was born well before Marx. In East Prussia were Marx lived as a child there was a active Anabaptist presence and I wonder if the atheist Marx, developed some of his ideas from the Mennonite farms that he was probably exposed to as a child?
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    So, the dumbing down of 'merica that the right wing pundits talk about... this is how it's done?

    Feed the public a song. Have it sung by paid actors not taught this in public or private schools, but in rehearsals, for pay.

    One group may hate it and label it as what is being taught in public schools...
    One group may love it and say it is what our children will think of us in the future.

    Both are wrong... but the shad from both sides are laying on the shore, gasping for air.... hooked by the trolls that produce this shad.

    If you are going to vote based on sound bites, campaign ads, candidate speeches, party affiliation, litmus test issues, and all the rest of the manipulations that pass as politics... you will get what you deserve.

    Good luck with that! It hasn't served us well for how many years now?

    Hint: much more than 4 years, I guarantee that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveJohnson View Post
    I have to ask, what do you define communism as. In your words, not definition wise.
    'E pluribus unum' "out of many, one." it's written on our money. Can you imagine if this phrase hadn't been used yet and Obama decided to put it on our money. Glenn Becks head would explode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Personally, I don't think a persons sexual identity should be part of the classroom in ANY way.

    If they made a contribution to society, good, teach about the contribution. I don't need to hear about their sexual preferences.

    On another note, remember in the book, "1984" that they had a "bureau of history" that spent every day rewriting history depending on the day and which country was winning the global wars...according to Big Brother. They had to do it by hand...tearing textbooks apart and changing newspaper articles to reflect the "New Think". Too bad they didn't have computers like we do now, they could have done it in a couple of keystrokes.
    I guess they shouldn't be taught about womens rights either then.
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