Secession?

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Originally Posted by Pythius

well, Texas for example, the state that has the most petitioners on the website, gets billions of dollars in Federal money for jobs, due to NASA and the military. Remove that money, and Texas is in bad shape.

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Not that facts matter but Texas gives more than it receives: America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist

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Originally Posted by Caertaker

Not that facts matter but Texas gives more than it receives: America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist

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i stand corrected.

but that doesn't mean that Texas wouldn't be out of tens of thousands of jobs, if NASA and the military pulled out.

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Originally Posted by Pythius

well, I do believe the CSA fired the first shot at Fort Sumter.

which was, after all....Federal property.

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First official shots yes. I believe lots of skirmishes took place on the Kansas and Missouri borders, as well as the raid on Harpers Ferry that preceded the official onset of hostilities.

One of the problems with "fixing America" is one half thinks were on the right track and the other half thinks were not.

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Texas wouldn't be out of tens of thousands of jobs, if NASA and the military pulled out

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Heck...........Texas would just succeed the Feds and keep it all rollin' as part of Texas. Maybe some reparations, but who knows.........maybe the Feds would owe Texas, what with all of the unrecorded liabilities accruing to military and NASA employees via retirement benefits :rofl:

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one half thinks were on the right track and the other half thinks were not

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Easy. We jettison the half that think we're on the right track. :lolp:

The first shots of the Civil war were actually fired Jan 9th 1861 by cadets at the Citadel.
War Between The States

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Originally Posted by Rock and Glock

Heck...........Texas would just succeed the Feds and keep it all rollin' as part of Texas. Maybe some reparations, but who knows.........maybe the Feds would owe Texas, what with all of the unrecorded liabilities accruing to military and NASA employees via retirement benefits :rofl:

Easy. We jettison the half that think we're on the right track. :lolp:

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RE: Part in bold-- Don't think so. They all move to Arkansas or Tennessee. :)

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They all move to Arkansas or Tennessee. :)

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:lolp:

You know, this country was founded by a secession movement.... the colonies seceded from Britain in 1776.... just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by varob

One of the problems with "fixing America" is one half thinks were on the right track and the other half thinks were not.

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It has always been this way, basically. Even the Founders had severe disagreements and what they came up with was by vote! There seems to be a persistent myth in our culture about some good old days when the USA was some united Shangri-La.

Whatever changes are needed will continue to be done as usual, by vote or - :hand1: behind closed doors :hand1:.

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Originally Posted by Badey

You know, this country was founded by a secession movement.... the colonies seceded from Britain in 1776.... just sayin'.

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no, the colonies were not part of the United Kingdom. They were Provinces.

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Originally Posted by Jeanlouise

The first shots of the Civil war were actually fired Jan 9th 1861 by cadets at the Citadel.
War Between The States

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That's what happens on senior skip day. All those kids with nothing better to do.

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Originally Posted by OldVet

"There is currently not a single state government that can support itself without Federal funds returned to the states for all kinds of services."

I don't know about that. Imagine if all the tax money that each resident and business sends to the Feds instead went to the state coffers, The state's checking account would look very nice indeed. I know I pay far more to the Feds than I do to the state. I'm sure the state would appreciate that amount.

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There are a number of states whose residents pay in more in federal taxes than the state receives back in federal spending. Those stats would come out ahead.

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Originally Posted by varob

One of the problems with "fixing America" is one half thinks were on the right track and the other half thinks were not.

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Unfortunately, the half that thinks we are on the wrong track is paying for those that think we are on the right track.

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Originally Posted by pir8fan

Unfortunately, the half that thinks we are on the wrong track is paying for those that think we are on the right track.

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It's not quite half. It's only 46%, actually, according to Mit Romney.

Something about sending a lap dog out to fight with a wolf comes to mind.