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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    It's not quite half. It's only 46%, actually, according to Mit Romney.

    Something about sending a lap dog out to fight with a wolf comes to mind.
    The IRS backs that up as well. The bottom 50% only pay 2% of the federal income taxes collected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    Something about sending a lap dog out to fight with a wolf comes to mind.
    While I agree with your post I think "lap dog" is too pejorative. I think of it more as "Having a clue as to how the economy works vs Not having a clue as to how the economy works". Actually, what I really think is: "Good vs Evil" but that's pejorative too so I admit to verbal hypocrasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pir8fan View Post
    The IRS backs that up as well. The bottom 50% only pay 2% of the federal income taxes collected.
    If you look at monies paid, not if you look at percent of income versus amount of tax paid. For instance if you made $500,000 and paid 10% in taxes you would pay $50,000 in taxes, if I made $50,000 and paid 99% in taxes I would pay $49,500

    Even though you were taxed at 10% verses my 99% you would pay more in taxes than I did. When making these comparisons it better to look at percent compared to income.

    See Baseline Tables: Distribution of Income and Taxes; Baseline: Current Law, by Cash Income Level, 2004-2022
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    If you look at monies paid, not if you look at percent of income versus amount of tax paid. For instance if you made $500,000 and paid 10% in taxes you would pay $50,000 in taxes, if I made $50,000 and paid 99% in taxes I would pay $49,500

    Even though you were taxed at 10% verses my 99% you would pay more in taxes than I did. When making these comparisons it better to look at percent compared to income.

    See Baseline Tables: Distribution of Income and Taxes; Baseline: Current Law, by Cash Income Level, 2004-2022
    If the bottom earners really believe that they are paying more in taxes than the top earners, then perhaps the bottom earners should better themselves so that they can earn more and pay your "better" percentage.

    So how much of every dollar that I earn should I be allow to keep? If I earn $1.00, should I be allowed to keep $0.90? $0.80? $0.70? $0.60? $0.50? $0.40? $0.30? $0.20? $0.10? Nothing? Out of that $1.00 earned, please tell me how many cents I should be allowed to keep?

    If you earn $1.00, please tell me how many cents you should be allowed to keep?
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    My sister (the Liberal) used to live in Sweden. I learned a lot about Sweden, even though I didn't intend to. Their Healthcare system is single payer and on the surface looks great...everyone gets it. But, a little closer look yields these facts:


    My sister has severe back problems due to a couple of car accidents, one many years ago and one about 6 years ago when she was rear ended at a stop light during a police chase of a drunken driver.

    ok, facts:

    It can take 2-3 months to get a doctor's appointment, even with a non-specialist.
    Once you see the doctor and he orders an MRI...it can take another 2-3 months to get the MRI
    Then, another 4 weeks to have someone read the MRI
    Then another 3-6 weeks for the follow up appointment

    She needed back surgery but was told that they wanted her to try a year of Physical Therapy first. (remember that rationed care thing?) She tried it for about a month but was in so much pain she couldn't do it. She existed on strong pain medication and was getting very depressed.

    I made her an appointment with a Neurosurgeon in Maryland and she flew back to the US for a consult. He ordered an MRI...which they did that afternoon, he read it about 20 minutes after and scheduled her for surgery 4 days later. She needed rods, screws, a Vetebraplasty and who knows what else. Anyway, long story short...she's 100% better. She went back to Sweden 6 weeks later and saw her doctor. He was stunned that she had had the surgery she needed so fast.

    Sweden has an almost 58% income tax, 26% corporate tax and 25% VAT tax! That's a lot of tax and most of it goes into their medical program. Many Swedes hide their money in Spain, it's called "Black money". Their taxes are due to go up and this is a small country with a fraction of our population. Can you imagine what our Healthcare is going to be like here in about 10 years?

    So, to keep this On Topic...I'm moving to Texas.
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    I don't know what bottom earners think, and just because a guy is working for minimum wage doesn't make him any worse or better than someone who makes $1,000,000 a year. How should one "better" themselves? Maybe if they declare bankruptcy and get out of their debts, and take unemployment and live off the system rather than working 2 or more low wage jobs and honoring their debts would be bettering themselves in your view since they would earn more and pay less in taxes (they wouldn't have to pay payroll taxes if they don't have a job).

    All of this equating someones value to their net-worth is one of the main things that is wrong with this country, it seems that many people think someone's wealth matters more than how they treat others and how they conduct themselves. Just because someone is fixing your car doesn't make them beneath you or anyone else.

    If you and I made a $1.00 how much of it should we keep all of it minus the services that we demand of our government. I believe that we are all created equally and that all income and we should all be taxed equally and that all income should be treated equally. So we should all be taxed the same.


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    If the bottom earners really believe that they are paying more in taxes than the top earners, then perhaps the bottom earners should better themselves so that they can earn more and pay your "better" percentage.

    So how much of every dollar that I earn should I be allow to keep? If I earn $1.00, should I be allowed to keep $0.90? $0.80? $0.70? $0.60? $0.50? $0.40? $0.30? $0.20? $0.10? Nothing? Out of that $1.00 earned, please tell me how many cents I should be allowed to keep?

    If you earn $1.00, please tell me how many cents you should be allowed to keep?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    If the bottom earners really believe that they are paying more in taxes than the top earners, then perhaps the bottom earners should better themselves so that they can earn more and pay your "better" percentage.

    So how much of every dollar that I earn should I be allow to keep? If I earn $1.00, should I be allowed to keep $0.90? $0.80? $0.70? $0.60? $0.50? $0.40? $0.30? $0.20? $0.10? Nothing? Out of that $1.00 earned, please tell me how many cents I should be allowed to keep?

    If you earn $1.00, please tell me how many cents you should be allowed to keep?
    How about a flat tax where everyone pays at the same rate?

    The current wage income tax is the high rate of 35% for the working class. If you made a flat tax of 35% it would require guys like Romney (14.1%) and Buffet to pay more money at an equal rate. Why is this so unfair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    ...we should all be taxed the same.
    Totally agree.

    So if we were all "taxed the same", how many cents should we be able to keep for every $1.00 we earn? How many cents goes to us and how many cents goes to taxes?
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    Much of the 1%, like Buffet, Rockefeller, Reid, Pelosi, Kerry live off of estate wealth, not income tax because their vast wealth does not come from income per se. That's why they don't care how high the income tax goes on others, it won't effect them. Now, I'd be all for taxing wealth at a higher rate but just try proposing that and watch the Libs who want higher taxes back off faster than a Walker with a head shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    well, Texas for example, the state that has the most petitioners on the website, gets billions of dollars in Federal money for jobs, due to NASA and the military. Remove that money, and Texas is in bad shape.
    I've been saying for years, send all the malcontents to Texas and let them have their own country. Most of them are already there anyway.

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    "we keep all of it minus the services that we demand of our government" We would have to agree to the cost of the services that we demand from our government, I don't have an amount but for me I would guess that it would be far less than the 35% that is the current rate

    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    Totally agree.

    So if we were all "taxed the same", how many cents should we be able to keep for every $1.00 we earn? How many cents goes to us and how many cents goes to taxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig35seven View Post
    How about a flat tax where everyone pays at the same rate?

    The current wage income tax is the high rate of 35% for the working class. If you made a flat tax of 35% it would require guys like Romney (14.1%) and Buffet to pay more money at an equal rate. Why is this so unfair?
    This is what I am saying...we should have a flat tax. I was trying to point out to "pgrass101" that everyone should be allowed to keep the same amount from every dollar that is earned. I earn $1.00 in income I get to keep $0.75. You earn $1.00 in income you get to keep $0.75. Mitt Romney earns $1.00 in income he gets to keep $0.75.

    So if we have a flat tax, how many cents should we be able to keep for every $1.00 we earn? How many cents goes to us and how many cents goes to taxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    So if we have a flat tax, how many cents should we be able to keep for every $1.00 we earn? How many cents goes to us and how many cents goes to taxes?
    $0.83 is what we get to keep
    $0.17 goes to taxes.
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    The only way we'll ever have enough tax money to provide for the infrastructure and secure the borders is to cut spending and eliminate unnecessary bureaucratic agencies, waste and fraud. If we did that we'd probably all pay much less in taxes. The Federal government is bloated and it's powers reach way beyond what was intended under the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mg27 View Post
    Yep, It does sound crazy, but to me it seems/feels like we are headed towards a one world government more and more.

    Right now we are 16 TRILLION dollars in debt. The debt is structured that we will soon be 25 TRILLION in debt.

    When Cities go bankrupt they go to the State for money. When States go broke they go to the Federal Government. Where does the Federal Government go? THE UNITED NATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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