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    Another link if any one is interested. Lays out how the resistance bloc is multi-faceted:

    The Israeli Who Sneaked into Syria | World Affairs Journal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    We've helped other dictators to get out the door alive and stay free. Notably Marcos. Russia offered Assad sanctuary
    or so I read. There are plenty of 'nice guys' who wouldn't turn him over to any international court; e.g., some of
    the new dictators of old Soviet stans.

    Some folks are just stubborn and don't believe what they are being told is happening, is actually happening.
    Quadafi and Sadam are two examples of folks who had exit options but chose to not take them.
    Mubarak (an improvement on the others by far) also didn't make a graceful exit when he had the opportunity.

    Looks like Assad has not learned by watching the fate of those around him. That will become a tragedy for him as
    an individual, one which I think is still avoidable if he would use the brain he obviously has.
    And Marcos only lasted three and a half years after leaving office sheltered by his strongest ally with the best medical care in the world available to him. And the "free" part needs further clarification. How big a security detail will be provided? Would he dictate to the security detail what he is doing or the other way around? And what assurance does he have that the security detail will still be there tomorrow, or next week or next year if his hosts want to make nice with his successor?

    Given a choice of going from absolute power to either a life that means they are totally dependant on the good will of their host, or going out fighting (strong man image) for some is no choice at all. Will he want to be in history books as fighting to the death against impossible odds (and maybe killed by a strike by a superpower) or the guy that ran away to hide and spend the rest of life looking over his shoulder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Do we even have a foreign policy???
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Yes, bow and apologize profusely.
    We have a lot to apologize for.
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    Id rather we stay out of the middle east issues completely, its not our fight. if the "nation of Israel" wants to start a fight with every other country their, let them! But dont get us involved in "Israels' unjust war.
    Unjust evil dictator killing citizens? Let them revolt and fix their country, we did.
    Buy their oil, beyond that we should stay out of that mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Do we even have a foreign policy???
    Yes... The basic principle is taking money from poor Americans, and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    And Marcos only lasted three and a half years after leaving office sheltered by his strongest ally with the best medical care in the world available to him. And the "free" part needs further clarification. How big a security detail will be provided? Would he dictate to the security detail what he is doing or the other way around? And what assurance does he have that the security detail will still be there tomorrow, or next week or next year if his hosts want to make nice with his successor?

    Given a choice of going from absolute power to either a life that means they are totally dependant on the good will of their host, or going out fighting (strong man image) for some is no choice at all. Will he want to be in history books as fighting to the death against impossible odds (and maybe killed by a strike by a superpower) or the guy that ran away to hide and spend the rest of life looking over his shoulder?
    That Marcos only lasted 3 years had nothing to do with the hospitality and protection he got. HE was ill. His wife
    not only survived (and she was the real dictator) but somehow managed to go back and remain free. Her sons continued
    in politics there. Not a typical case.

    BabyDoc Duvallier lasted for very many years in France, before deciding to return to Hatti, where he was promptly arrested.

    Some folks are just plain stupid in their choices.
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    Dropping one of those great big "daisycutter" bombs on the storage site would take the wind right out of that sail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Dropping one of those great big "daisycutter" bombs on the storage site would take the wind right out of that sail.
    No need for such drastic measures. Our perz has shook his finger once again and warned there would be "real consequences" if he used gas. I'm sure Assad is "terrified". Brrrrrrrrrr
    Last edited by Jeanlouise; December 6th, 2012 at 08:05 PM. Reason: Added another "s" to ASSad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    That Marcos only lasted 3 years had nothing to do with the hospitality and protection he got. HE was ill. His wife
    not only survived (and she was the real dictator) but somehow managed to go back and remain free. Her sons continued
    in politics there. Not a typical case.

    BabyDoc Duvallier lasted for very many years in France, before deciding to return to Hatti, where he was promptly arrested.

    Some folks are just plain stupid in their choices.
    Yeah Jeane-Claude was having a good old time until the money ran out.
    Anybody hear from Anastasio Somoza? He had sanctuary in Paraguay. I guess they forgot to tell his successors that meant they were supposed to leave him alone. He lasted fourteen months.

    Sanctuary does not always equal safety
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward7 View Post
    Id rather we stay out of the middle east issues completely, its not our fight. if the "nation of Israel" wants to start a fight with every other country their, let them! But dont get us involved in "Israels' unjust war.
    Unjust evil dictator killing citizens? Let them revolt and fix their country, we did.
    Buy their oil, beyond that we should stay out of that mess.
    Ah, actually, we had help from a number of sources including Prussia and France. We did not do it on our own.
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    What is most concerning is out getting involved, closely followed by Iran's involvement.

    Just suppose for a moment that Assad plans to use the Sarin, but not on his own population. What then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Do we even have a foreign policy???
    As best I can tell, and this is true for every administration within my memory, foreign policy has been LURCH.
    Lurch from crisis to crises. Fail to react, overreact, under-react. Back the dictators, oust the dictators; some win some lose.
    Embargo your enemies, trade with your enemies--- flip a coin. Love the French, hate the French-- LURCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Yeah Jeane-Claude was having a good old time until the money ran out.
    Anybody hear from Anastasio Somoza? He had sanctuary in Paraguay. I guess they forgot to tell his successors that meant they were supposed to leave him alone. He lasted fourteen months.

    Sanctuary does not always equal safety
    Yes, but staying put when the end is in sight guarantees no safety.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    What is most concerning is out getting involved, closely followed by Iran's involvement.

    Just suppose for a moment that Assad plans to use the Sarin, but not on his own population. What then?
    Depends on which way the wind blows.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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