Syria & sarin gas

This is a discussion on Syria & sarin gas within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by ctr Ah, actually, we had help from a number of sources including Prussia and France. We did not do it on our ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    Ah, actually, we had help from a number of sources including Prussia and France. We did not do it on our own.
    Yeah that's true....To be fair they didn't do as much for us as we have done (and continue to do.) for the Iraqis. At least we did the footwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    I heard that Sarin gas is made from Iocane powder. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to Iocane powder.

    Ah, glad to see Timmy is feeling better!
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    Quote- Inconceivable!

    That does not mean what you think it means.
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    It's kind of like how some people have a sudden and insatiable desire to talk about vampires after the Twilight series became popular, except zombies are much less gay and more likely to exist one day

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    Most times, talking about this kind ah stuff with some people, is like someone from Bob Costas imaginary “Gun-Culture”, trying to have an intelligent conversation with him about gun-clips.

    And the conversation goes just like this..............



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    Quote Originally Posted by skysoldier29 View Post
    1, 2, 3, 4 I declare an air war. We do not need to put boots on the ground in Syria. I remember the invasion of Iraq. I was sitting in Kuwait and every time the air raid siren went off we had to put all our chemical gear. I just sat there praying that my gear made by the lowest bidder would work.
    Hopefully by then the Army had completely retired the M-17 series mask, which was nothing but a death trap.
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    IMO this is what will happen: Some group will kill Assad before he uses the gas, people will be happy, that group will become the ruling party and by June will be as bad as Assad.

    It's not what I want to happen, but looking at past history I think it's a pretty good bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    IMO this is what will happen: Some group will kill Assad before he uses the gas, people will be happy, that group will become the ruling party and by June will be as bad as Assad.

    It's not what I want to happen, but looking at past history I think it's a pretty good bet.
    I do not think they will get to Assad before he heads off to a safe country, but there will undoubtedly be recriminations against the minority Alawite community that constitutes the ruling Ba'ath party. Not unlike Iraq where the Ba'ath party members suffered the same fate to some extent.

    I believe the key is for the US to supply arms to the resistance forces. In controlling the flow we can "box in" the salafist/Islamist factions while supporting the larger coalition of primarily Sunni Syrian nationalists. This gives us influence in the area and helps replace the void that will be left from Iran's removal as state patron. We already have allies in the resistance-the Kurdish population. They have strong ties to the Kurds in northern Iraq who are very pro-US. We should capitalize on that relationship.
    I'd rather be lucky than good any day

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    kapnketal, I like your scenario better, I hope you're right.
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    Unfortunately, our current leadership has dithered for years on this issue, I have seen little evidence they will take a firm position. Too focused on throwing Israel under the bus in hopes of appeasing other players in the region.
    I'd rather be lucky than good any day

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    ^^^^^^Right!
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    Read this today, as this drags out it only gets worse. Food shortages and Assad's troops destroying food.

    Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon -Bread crisis hits Syrian flashpoints
    I'd rather be lucky than good any day

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    Unfortunately, our current leadership has dithered for years on this issue, I have seen little evidence they will take a firm position. Too focused on throwing Israel under the bus in hopes of appeasing other players in the region.
    In many way I would describe myself as a Zionist, certainly I am a Jew. I don't agree with those who make this claim that
    Israel is being thrown under the bus. We have had presidents who were ambivalent or quietly hostile to Israel from both parties, dancing to the drip-beat of the oil tap. That isn't happening now. Nor do I believe O is deliberately hostile or
    anti- Semitic, as I have come to believe of Carter.

    We have very very little leverage in the region when dealing with the dictators and the crazies.
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    Well, I certainly agree that Carter is an out and out anti-Semite. I would also agree that historically many presidents were anti-Israel (starting with Truman). I do not see O as anti-Semitic, it just seems they are rudderless. No stand on protests in Egypt, silent during uprisings in Iran, too wishy washy as respects Syria...

    I do think O has treated Bibi rudely and he clearly dislikes him at a personal level. From reading interviews I believe the feeling is mutual. Then there is the whole Jerusalem capital of Israel debacle... I beleieve the US is far less supportive of Israel than it deserves.

    As to being a Zionist, I am from the perspective of Israeli nationalism, although some of the other socialistic tenets of the movement I do not agree with.
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    I don't know if B.O. is necessarily anti-semetic but he is certainly not pro-Israel. I think it is all political expendiency and appeasement to the folks in the region that dislike Israel greatly and dislike us even more so.
    It's kind of like how some people have a sudden and insatiable desire to talk about vampires after the Twilight series became popular, except zombies are much less gay and more likely to exist one day

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    I have mixed feelings about this.

    On one hand, I don't really care if our Prez is pro-Isreal, pro-whatever, as long as he's Pro-American. I'm tired of us trying to save everybody else, while Americans get put on the back burner.

    Then on the other hand, I do believe it's the right thing to do, to help those who cannot help themselves. But where is the line drawn? And at what sacrifices?

    Another war would screw us. I could easily see the Middle East collectively appearing to put their differences aside in attempts of duping us into a war and risking their own citizen's lives (which most care nothing about anyways) to do so, to weaken us economically.

    Hell, even the lowest level street gains have figured out.. "You don't go to war until your moneys right."
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