Doomsday Preppers are 'Socially Selfish' ...according to Emergency Manager...Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStick View Post
    Have you all heard of the parable of the ant and grasshopper? Sounds eerily remniniscent of her thinking, and I don't like the outcome of that story.
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    THE CLASSIC VERSION

    The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long,
    building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
    The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances
    and plays the summer away.

    Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper
    has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.


    THE MODERN VERSION
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    The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long,
    building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
    The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances
    and plays the summer away.

    Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference
    and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm
    and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, CNN, NBC
    and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper
    next to video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table
    filled with food.

    America and the world is stunned by the sharp contrast.
    How can it be that, in a country of such wealth, this poor
    grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

    Then a representative of the NAAGB (National Association of
    Green Bugs) shows up on Nightline and charges the ant with
    "green bias", and makes the case that the grasshopper is
    the victim of 30 million years of greenism.

    Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and
    everybody cries when he sings "It's Not Easy Being Green."
    Bill and Hillary Clinton make a special guest appearance on
    the CBS Evening News to tell a concerned Dan Rather that they
    will do everything they can for the grasshopper who has been
    denied the prosperity he deserves by those who benefited
    unfairly during the Reagan summers, or as Bill refers to
    it, the "Temperatures of the 80's."

    Richard Gephardt exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings
    that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper,
    and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay
    his "fair share."

    Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Greenism
    Act". Retroactive to the beginning of the summer, the ant was
    fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs
    and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home
    is confiscated by the government.

    The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last
    bits of the ant's food while the government house he's in, which
    just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him since
    he doesn't know how to maintain it. The ant has disappeared in
    the snow. And on the TV, which the grasshopper bought by selling
    most of the ant's food, they are showing Bill Clinton standing
    before a wildly applauding group of compatriots announcing that
    a new era of "fairness" has dawned in America

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    I am a professional in the Emergency Management world - please remember that she is writing in a magazine that geared for emergency managers. Now I don't agree with everything she is saying, and I will play devils advocate here.

    Resilient communities are communities that respond together. Emergency Managers should not be concerned about the single individual in a disaster, but groups of people which are the communities. The doomsday preppers are presented in a manner that reflects their lack of desire to work with the community in a disaster, and presented as if they only look out only for themselves. I wonder how they would respond if everything they had stockpiled, and all their personal belongings were to be destroyed? Would they suddenly feel like they should work with the community? Or would they still push everyone away so they can survive on their own? When everyone just looks out for themselves the community doesn't recover well. There are many, many instances where communities have responded together and everyone recovers faster.

    Now, I recognize that this show is dramatized (as are most TV shows of this nature), and in all honestly they are preparing for the "doomsday" and not just a community/regional disaster. A true doomsday is just that, doomsday, which is not recoverable. The author fails to make that distinction.

    We, as emergency managers, are strongly supportive of being prepared for disasters. The more that people are prepared, the fewer the victims. The more that are prepared in a community, the more the community can respond and recover. This is how emergency managers view the world - personal responsibility to be prepared, but response and recovery as a community - not the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMan View Post
    I am a professional in the Emergency Management world - please remember that she is writing in a magazine that geared for emergency managers. Now I don't agree with everything she is saying, and I will play devils advocate here.

    Resilient communities are communities that respond together. Emergency Managers should not be concerned about the single individual in a disaster, but groups of people which are the communities. The doomsday preppers are presented in a manner that reflects their lack of desire to work with the community in a disaster, and presented as if they only look out only for themselves. I wonder how they would respond if everything they had stockpiled, and all their personal belongings were to be destroyed? Would they suddenly feel like they should work with the community? Or would they still push everyone away so they can survive on their own? When everyone just looks out for themselves the community doesn't recover well. There are many, many instances where communities have responded together and everyone recovers faster.

    Now, I recognize that this show is dramatized (as are most TV shows of this nature), and in all honestly they are preparing for the "doomsday" and not just a community/regional disaster. A true doomsday is just that, doomsday, which is not recoverable. The author fails to make that distinction.

    We, as emergency managers, are strongly supportive of being prepared for disasters. The more that people are prepared, the fewer the victims. The more that are prepared in a community, the more the community can respond and recover. This is how emergency managers view the world - personal responsibility to be prepared, but response and recovery as a community - not the individual.

    Well Stated, Sir.

    However, she does not reprensent herself, or your community well. Nuff said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post

    .... she does not reprensent herself, or you community well...
    So so true, and that is the part that really makes me frustrated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMan View Post
    I am a professional in the Emergency Management world - please remember that she is writing in a magazine that geared for emergency managers. Now I don't agree with everything she is saying, and I will play devils advocate here.

    Resilient communities are communities that respond together. Emergency Managers should not be concerned about the single individual in a disaster, but groups of people which are the communities. The doomsday preppers are presented in a manner that reflects their lack of desire to work with the community in a disaster, and presented as if they only look out only for themselves. I wonder how they would respond if everything they had stockpiled, and all their personal belongings were to be destroyed? Would they suddenly feel like they should work with the community? Or would they still push everyone away so they can survive on their own? When everyone just looks out for themselves the community doesn't recover well. There are many, many instances where communities have responded together and everyone recovers faster.

    Now, I recognize that this show is dramatized (as are most TV shows of this nature), and in all honestly they are preparing for the "doomsday" and not just a community/regional disaster. A true doomsday is just that, doomsday, which is not recoverable. The author fails to make that distinction.

    We, as emergency managers, are strongly supportive of being prepared for disasters. The more that people are prepared, the fewer the victims. The more that are prepared in a community, the more the community can respond and recover. This is how emergency managers view the world - personal responsibility to be prepared, but response and recovery as a community - not the individual.
    Since when in America did it become a requirement to belong to the community? This country was founded by hard working folks who planned ahead and were smart with their choices and their resources. They decided if, when, and whom to help in the community. Just because an individual is in the community and suffering is not justification alone for demanding assistance. They must first be willing to help themselves. That is the whole problem with this socialist slope and the attitudes that enable and embolden the lazy and carefree to depend on someone else to do the hard work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    Since when in America did it become a requirement to belong to the community? This country was founded by hard working folks who planned ahead and were smart with their choices and their resources. They decided if, when, and whom to help in the community. Just because an individual is in the community and suffering is not justification alone for demanding assistance. They must first be willing to help themselves. That is the whole problem with this socialist slope and the attitudes that enable and embolden the lazy and carefree to depend on someone else to do the hard work.
    Communities are defined many way's, both in the EM world, and in society in general. If you live in a defined area, you are part of that community. Now if you decide to be an active member of that community, it is up to you - but you are in the defined community area.

    There are also "communities" such as those with special needs (Now being defined by the politically correct term of "Functional Needs"... don't get me started). This can be those that need medical assistance in a disaster, or have other needs.

    Communities can also be religious in nature, or political or even based on a school. No one is forced into being an active member of a community - but in the broad definition that we work on, everyone is part of community. Again we could care less about an individual need/desire, or their interest in being a part of it or not. We are looking at how can we get the COMMUNITY back on their feet, putting health care systems back in place, turning the power back on, keeping the drinking water clean, and getting schools back up and running. It doesn't matter if an individual wants it or not, we are trying to get the community back up and working.

    Like the poster mentioned above this country was founded on the hard working individuals that participated in their community. We didn't write a constitution or bill-of-rights without community leaders taking part. As for the hard work... they took part by helping neighbors raise a barn, or harvest the fields. The community didn't demand that they take part, but those that made the choice to be part of community knew that they could succeed as a community much better than if they left each to their own. It is a choice we each must make.

    As Emergency Managers we preach that individuals SHOULD be prepared, why? Because we don't give a damn about the single person - that is YOUR responsibility. All we want is the community to return back to normalcy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    Since when in America did it become a requirement to belong to the community?
    I see you have been part of the DefensiveCarry.com community for several years... and your taking part in that community by adding to the discussion. It is almost impossible to exist without being a part of a community somehow. (Community being defined in the broader sense that my profession views it).
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    the result of Ms. Lucas-McEwen's POV, taken to an extreme, is that all of us should give everything we have to the government, which, in its' wisdom, will make certain that each of us gets what we need.

    it was tried many times in the 20th century - it's called Communism - and it hasn't worked very well.



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    Some of you guys are ammunition selfish, I know it. And you should share. I can PM my address if you would like to do your part. Thanks in advance.
    See, that's what I mean. YOUR selfish because you didn't mention you were going to share your gains with me
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    Common Good. LMAO. I'll save a few rounds for the common good.

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    If the taxes that I pay don't cover my selfishness I don't know what to tell them. They can bite me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    If the taxes that I pay don't cover my selfishness I don't know what to tell them. They can bite me.
    I will echo that --- Bite Me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMan View Post
    I am a professional in the Emergency Management world - please remember that she is writing in a magazine that geared for emergency managers. Now I don't agree with everything she is saying, and I will play devils advocate here.

    Resilient communities are communities that respond together. Emergency Managers should not be concerned about the single individual in a disaster, but groups of people which are the communities. The doomsday preppers are presented in a manner that reflects their lack of desire to work with the community in a disaster, and presented as if they only look out only for themselves. I wonder how they would respond if everything they had stockpiled, and all their personal belongings were to be destroyed? Would they suddenly feel like they should work with the community? Or would they still push everyone away so they can survive on their own? When everyone just looks out for themselves the community doesn't recover well. There are many, many instances where communities have responded together and everyone recovers faster.

    Now, I recognize that this show is dramatized (as are most TV shows of this nature), and in all honestly they are preparing for the "doomsday" and not just a community/regional disaster. A true doomsday is just that, doomsday, which is not recoverable. The author fails to make that distinction.

    We, as emergency managers, are strongly supportive of being prepared for disasters. The more that people are prepared, the fewer the victims. The more that are prepared in a community, the more the community can respond and recover. This is how emergency managers view the world - personal responsibility to be prepared, but response and recovery as a community - not the individual.
    I mean no disrespect but want to share my views.

    The "community" by law takes from my labor (wages) and provides benefits and services for the "greater good" I do not want nor use. The community is social by nature (socialist) and eventually greed, power and corruption are its leaders.

    If you don't work, you don't eat. If you're honestly disabled and not even capable of performing anything useful to society, then that's what family, church's and community organizations are for.

    This "society" has gotten totally out of control and believes I owe them a living. Even to the point my labor pays for their food, free cell phones, utilities, roof over their heads and even the education of their own children? That's a major reason I moved from "society centers" to the country.

    You can't totally isolate / remove yourself from a "collective hive" but you can reduce the foot print some. I've had rough times in my life and never depended on anyone to bail me out. Forced bail out's will fail in a supposed free society and people will eventually get fed up and rebell.

    I'll take care of me and mine, you do the same and we'll get along just fine.

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    I just watched a progam on the h2 (history channel 2) called prophets of doom, they where science,economy,resources, terrorism, and distruction experts, they where documenting things that they where seeing that had a high probability of happening in our furture. not the gloom and doom, of the preppers. sure made more since than the aztec calender. after the show was over It makes me want to start prepping more. They talked about the planet running out of fossil fuel, our gov. spending more, they talked about it would be in our own intrust to stop out sourcing and more insourcing, what we eat, goods we make for ourselves warning us as Americans to start making products here at home, instead of globally. and after the show, I think they are right. if you get the chance to watch this, you will see what I am saying. As for d.h.s. fema and washington, why do you have bunkers stashed full of preps. for yourself ? continuity of government (which mean) you eat we starve. And we vote for you, and pay you, and you flip us the bird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the6shooter View Post
    I just watched a progam on the h2 (history channel 2) called prophets of doom, they where science,economy,resources, terrorism, and distruction experts, they where documenting things that they where seeing that had a high probability of happening in our furture. not the gloom and doom, of the preppers. sure made more since than the aztec calender. after the show was over It makes me want to start prepping more. They talked about the planet running out of fossil fuel, our gov. spending more, they talked about it would be in our own intrust to stop out sourcing and more insourcing, what we eat, goods we make for ourselves warning us as Americans to start making products here at home, instead of globally. and after the show, I think they are right. if you get the chance to watch this, you will see what I am saying. As for d.h.s. fema and washington, why do you have bunkers stashed full of preps. for yourself ? continuity of government (which mean) you eat we starve. And we vote for you, and pay you, and you flip us the bird.
    Did they forget to add the simple math of ...... Wait for it.....

    You could put all currently living families in the square mass of USA Texas and Arkansas (which I think was one acre for each family - regardless of how fat each family member is).....

    And that accounts for the entire world population....

    So, lets assume they were off slightly.... OK, I'll throw in LA and MS just to make it fun........
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