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    You really need to check into the legality of such a "security" service as you have gone from an armed private civilian to an armed security force with all the licensing requirement entailed. Volunteers or not, the state may take issue with that idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBSR View Post
    All of what you say is accurate. My concern, and it's been a concern for a long time, is what's keeping the radical islamists from doing the very same thing? I know it's "what if", but look at the gazillions of dollars we've spent on TSA, after the fact, to ensure that another plane isn't hijacked and used as a weapon. Imagine the sheer terror, an organized and motivated terrorist group could achieve, by simultaneously attacking soft targets here in the United States? That's what I'm concerned about sir.

    We must, IMHO, harden our soft targets, NOW, to minimize the damage. These radical muslims are crossing our border every day now, commingled with the regular illegal immigrant groups. They aren't headed here for work. Their only mission in life is killing us, the infidels. Should we have the resolve to take action now, to thwart terrorist intentions, we'll already be in place to deal with the occasional whack job as a collateral benefit.

    Advertising the fact that our schools are no longer free fire zones for cowards, will also go a long ways to preventing a repeat incident. We could do it, and we could do it cheaper than our government did TSA, and if the government wasn't controlling it, we'd probably be able to do it efficiently and cost effectively. Just sayin... LOL Be safe.
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    I'm surprised RETSUP hasn't suggested digging a moat around the school and importing some Hungry Florida gators,once they raise the drawbridge good luck trying to swim across.
    Not only that but any kids trying to skip school will be dissuaded from cutting class
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    In WI they only regulate Professional Security

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    I am really just trying to do something!! I just can't live with myself if I don't at least make an effort to help get some protection in place.

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    To the OP great concept lots of things to work out but good ideas.

    I am not an attorney either but I have had some input into things that are similar to the questions raised here.

    First an organized Security Force would have to be licensed by the state. I cannot see any jurisdiction allowing a group of armed individuals to perform a security function without them having oversight. The issues of liability even though addressed by state for the individual concealed carrier I am afraid would go out the window in this situation.

    The individual carrier is allowed to carry for his personal protection and not those around him he is not assuming liability for anyone but himself. In the event something happened and he chose to act that would be his personal decision and most of the statutes basically say "If you allow this person to carry you are not responsible for his actions" so this only deals with immunity from liability for the owner of the property, not the individual person and sure would not cover a group of armed individuals acting in a security function.

    In the situation presented the group has now established a "Duty of Care" and are now charged with the responsibility to respond to an active shooter situation, there is no more strictly voluntary response they are mandated to respond to the incident so this type statute or immunity would not mean much. The question also comes up what if they are three seconds to late or is they injure a third person? Who absorbes the liability, the school district, the leader of the security group?

    This brings up another point. Whomever is in charge of the group, makes the schedules, assigns posts and so on is now, under the Law of Vicarious Liability, responsible for all the other members of the security detail and their actions and can be held just as liable if something went wrong. Is someone going to be willing to step up and take that responsibility?

    In regards to the comments about "Radical Islamists" attacking a school. Yes I suppose anything could happen but do you think for one moment the sight or interdiction of a person or persons armed would deter such an attack? A true Jihadist's mission is to die for his cause so the sight of or threat of armed resistance is not going to do much against a suicide vest. If one of these attacks wanted to be carried out simply do it at a Friday night football game.

    Wow MP5's, flashbangs, M4's who is footing this bill? Who are the MP5's and other NFA registered items going to be registered to? Where are the weapons going to be stored during none school hours? You are talking about equipment that many LE agencies do not have. Yes you can teach a lay person to shoot a subgun in a day, I can also teach an Afghan not to stand on the toilet when he uses it, but should I? It is a lot easier to just keep him out of my bathroom. If this ever got off the ground the minute you even think of longguns, subguns, flashbangs and so on it will be dead before it gets started.

    In concept it makes sense but in reality even though it still makes sense don't know if it would ever go over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkh View Post
    FIn Florida your concealed weapon license doesnt allow you to carry in schools or at school sponsored events.

    Liability insurance will eat you alive.
    That is merely an issue which could be changed by legislation on the state level. The key is getting the state level politicians on board.

    As far as financial liablilty goes, SIXTO's idea is spot on, and will satisfy the schools insurance policy. Ensure all your school volunteers become "state certified" armed security guards.

    Again, they are there only to engage active shooters. They are not there to handle unruly children, pot found in lockers, petty theft issues, fights on the playground, etc.

    It's all very doable and worth pursuing, although, there will be hard opposition to overcome.
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    I guess the least we can do is try to eliminate "gun free" zones at schools. Then the parents who volunteer would at least have the option of being armed. A small start, but a start.

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    Looks like great minds think alike the NRA just proposed basically the same thing I said here.

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