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    With rights come responsibilities...

    With privileges, not so much.

    This is a work in progress... it's not finished... but I'll work on it in days to come...

    Every day in America is Sandy Hook, or worse.
    Every day in America is Clackamas town center, or worse.
    Every day in America is an Aurora movie theater, or worse.
    Every Day in America is a Columbine, or worse.

    Every day in America, 27 people as a result of drunk driving.
    Last Year, 9,878 people were killed by drunk drivers. In 2010 350,000 people were injured by drunk drivers, in addition to the death toll of 10,228.

    Oh yes, you have to get a license to drive a car. That makes it "safer."

    What do we do to stop drunk drivers?


    1. For their first offense, in Iowa they spend 48 hours in jail. And, they still get to drive, and keep their car. They might have an interlock blow pipe in their car, most likely not.
    2. For their second offense in Iowa, they spend 7 days in jail (with work release, BTW). They drive again in 90 days with an interlock.
    3. For their third offense in Iowa, they could be jailed for up to 5 years, but most likely spend 30 days in jail. And, in most cases can drive again after 1 year with an interlock.

    Oh, and by the way, if a person commits homicide with his vehicle while legally under the influence… He loses his license for 5 years… But he can get it back… And do it all over again.

    If a person commits almost any crime with a firearm in Iowa, he doesn’t get to keep his gun, he doesn’t get to buy more guns, he can never own or carry a gun legally again. Most crimes in Iowa, if a firearm is used, become felonies.

    Felonies of any kind preclude gun ownership in this country.

    Felonies committed with automobiles allow the criminal access to the same weapon, and the opportunity to do it all over again.

    Driving a car in this country is a privilege, we have all heard it from our first day of driver's education. Yet, if you commit a felony while exercising your privilege, you can do it again, and again (and even again, if you live long enough).

    The right to keep and bear arms is a right. A natural right, to self defense, if nothing else. A right which is guaranteed by our Federal (and many a state) Constitution. Commit a felony... any felony.. with a gun, with a car, with a knife... or even with your bare hands... you cannot own a gun. You might be able to get one to hunt, but it requires a "restoration of rights" by the Governor, in this state anyway.

    The right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed" yet it is infringed, abridged, and restricted, by federal and state laws. I have no problem with that, as it currently stands.

    Ie: If you are a felon, I don't think you should be allowed the right to the tools with which you can commit more felonious crimes. If you are provably mentally incapacitated (by a judge), you should not be allowed to have a firearm. If you have a record of physical abuse, you should not have access to things which may make your next abusive encounter deadly.

    But, you can do any of those things and legally get behind the wheel of a car. And that's a "privilege."

    I don't get it.
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    You are exactly right Oakchas. One of the (few) good things that is done in Sweden is their stance on drunk driving.

    1st offense...they take away your license and you NEVER EVER drive again.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    But its the gun's fault, not the shooter. The basic premise of Progressive thought is that the individual is not responsible for their behavior, it is society. That poor kid had no choice but to rob and rape that lady, look at his poor upbringing, etc. The anti's do not really think rights come with responsibility. Therefore they must control your rights to avoid bad outcomes.
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    There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.

    Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    You are exactly right Oakchas. One of the (few) good things that is done in Sweden is their stance on drunk driving.

    1st offense...they take away your license and you NEVER EVER drive again.
    Oh wow, never knew that..
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    Denmark has very stiff DUI laws. The also have very strict gun control laws, which of course prevented any mass shootings...
    I'd rather be lucky than good any day

    There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.

    Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.

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    At the heart of it all: personal responsibility. Until we hold people personally responsible for their personal choices, including considering the full and complete extent of the impacts of those choices, we'll continue to "tread water" in such ways.

    I'm all for it: DUI 1st offense, no lawful driving ever; First-degree murder, execution; two/three-strikes penal code that eliminates the worst of the worst from our midst. Short of that, we're sidestepping the issues and merely fueling repeating the same problems.
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    The European Union has very restrictive laws in general. Haven't you noticed how well-behaved, organized & utopian it's recently been in Greece, Spain, France, England...?
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