LaPierre's speech

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    By declining to show any willingness to compromise, the NRA may have pleased many of its members, but, in the process, has become irrelevant to any forthcoming legislation. Mr LaPierre could at least have expressed a willingness to talk about such things as background checks for all gun purchases or mandatory reporting of gun thefts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBSR View Post
    Ok, I'll agree somewhat. But are you currently playing Kindergarten Killer in your home? Do you let your kids or grandkids play this game?

    I agree with Wayne, that it's pornography.
    And pornogrphy (most of it) is legal for adults to watch. Video games have ratings....it is, has been, always will be a parenting issue.

    And as far a porn....like most of the folks on this forum did not take a peak at a Playboy or Hustler grwoing up. Please
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    I was shocked to hear of a video game called Kindergarten Killers. Gee, is that where maybe the shooter got the idea? I missed the last few minutes of the speech as I had to take a phone call but from what I did hear, I think he did fine.

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    video game called Kindergarten Killers
    I have ZERO tolerance for this kind of "entertainment"...legal or not, anyone who plays this kinda crap needs therapy or a padded room.
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    Thanks Wayne. You did good. We Do protect our $ Banks, president,etc better than our kids. That ain't right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrow75 View Post
    The violent video game and movie argument takes personal responsibility out of the equation and ultimately that is the same thing as blaming the gun.
    I disagree. I think that while watching the violent video, "personal responsibility" of watching those videos, is even more paramount, to discern the difference between fact, and fiction, and between fantasy and reality. SOME folks have trouble making those distinctions... and therein lies the potential danger.
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    +1, agreed, regarding zero tolerance.
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    Horrible speaker. At one point, I thought he was going to start crying.
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    I don't think the purpose of this press conference was to be a platform for lobbying against the AWB. The purpose was specifically to talk about what happened last Friday and what the NRA wanted to do to address it. I'm sure they will address the AWB and any other anti-gun legislation as separate issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    I disagree. I think that while watching the violent video, "personal responsibility" of watching those videos, is even more paramount, to discern the difference between fact, and fiction, and between fantasy and reality. SOME folks have trouble making those distinctions... and therein lies the potential danger.
    True...but shouldn't that then be the responsibility of that child or teenagers parent? We argue about the government blaming and trying to regulate this or that until it is something we disagree with the we rail about the "evils of this or that" and say "something needs to be done about this!"

    How about parents stop using a television and an Xbox as a babysitter and actually spend time with and talk to their kids? Nobody is in a better position to identify and seek help for a truly disturbed child or teen than an engaged parent.

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    I thought it was a good speech, calling out the govt where needed and proposing solutions and a willingness to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrow75 View Post
    True...but shouldn't that then be the responsibility of that child or teenagers parent? We argue about the government blaming and trying to regulate this or that until it is something we disagree with the we rail about the "evils of this or that" and say "something needs to be done about this!"

    How about parents stop using a television and an Xbox as a babysitter and actually spend time with and talk to their kids? Nobody is in a better position to identify and seek help for a truly disturbed child or teen than an engaged parent.
    Yes sir, you're absolutely correct. I've argued that exact premise, for many moons, and will continue to do so. A post of mine from this forum....

    I was spanked and I've never committed any crime. My boys were spanked and they never committed any crimes either. In my mind, it's not so much "spanking" per se... rather the fact that as a child discipline was a part of my upbringing. Along with discipline, came the realization that I was, indeed accountable, and responsible for my actions. I was free to act in any way I chose, but I would be held accountable for how I chose to act. I think that's largely missing today from many families. As a result, I see little awareness, or concern in many children, of the fact that their actions will, or at least may have consequences.

    You can't teach "respect" until early grade school. (my opinion) I'm a firm believer that respect is bred out of fear... fear of a "time out", fear of being grounded, fear of getting your hand popped if you reach for a hot stove, and even fear of being spanked.

    no fear = no respect = no accountability = no (or very little) sense of right or wrong.
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    Kindergarten Killers....................are you Kiddin' Me ?
    This is exactly what I've been preachin'.....those damn killer videos are no damn good in my opinion.....this is not entertainment.....Geeeezzzz anything here for a buck......what's next.......Nursery School Snipers ?
    This is all our faults for buying into this crap.....pure junk for impressionable kids.

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    Gun control for a civilian starts after self control.* If someone has no control over themselves, they are by definition out of control and shouldn't drive, have a gun or anything that has the potential for hurting or killing someone else. That is a personal crisis that spills over onto family, friends, coworkers and society in general; not a crisis of law abiding citizens who never want to hurt anyone.

    There are six reasons for gun ownership:
    1. Competition: where highly modified firearms with high capacity magazines are required

    2. Target shooting/plinking: pure enjoyment in a safe environment
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    3. Self defense: where you save lives while cops are a phone call and five minutes away

    4. Hunting: where traditional guns are used to cleanly kill food

    5. Tyrants: straight forward-> our founders knew first hand that guns protect our other rights

    6. Collectors who by definition collect guns they never intend on firing.

    The writers of the Bill of Rights had just rebeled and over thrown their government; they insisted on a free and armed population and feared standing armies.

    I am sure the sociogist knows about the 80:20 rule whereby 80% of people cause 20% of societies problems and 20% of people cause 80% of problems. 20% of bicyclists cause 80% of the trouble for everyone else on the roads just like 20% of people drink and drive. You can't castigate law abiding citizens because of a few nuts.

    I have taken an oath to defend the constitution and it sickens me that the 4th, 5th, 2nd and 1st amendments are being eroded away. It is a bill of rights, not a bill of priveledges that can be taken away on a whim by a "feel good law" after a tragedy.

    The truth is, is that more law abiding citizens should carry a concealed handgun. If someone or a few had a gun in that movie theater, campus or schools the outcome would have been similar to the other incidents lately of armed citizens thwarting criminals.

    A bad guy with a gun is a bad thing, but a decent person with a gun is only a threat to bad people. I have a shotgun next to my bed because the police are a phone call and five minutes away (at best). I'm not looking for trouble but when it comes my way this law abiding citizen, husband and father will take care of the trouble.
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    I just read the transcript. He mentions what I've been saying for a long time. We protect worthless, insured assets at our banks but not our most precious, the children.
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