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    Re: LaPierre's speech

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    Yes sir, you're absolutely correct. I've argued that exact premise, for many moons, and will continue to do so. A post of mine from this forum....
    One of the reasons I truly enjoy this forum is that the members here most definitely come from different social, political and religious backgrounds and views. And even though we members often disagree with each other, we also often find common ground. Generally arguments and disagreements are kept civil, now only if we could get the rest of the country to follow the example.

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    We need discipline!

    I believe that this generation is becoming more wicked, and the only way to combat it is to meet force to with force. Disarming as the goofs on MSNBC want, is the worse thing anyone could even think of...

    I think his speach was good, He focused on arming security in schools, and taking down those stupid GUN FREE ZONES. I dont think anything he would of said would satisfy the anti's though. They are already saying " Well if you put police in schools then resturants, movie theaters, malls ect.... They have their minds made up on disarming the public. At the least Semi auto rifles.

    How come you didnt hear this kind of stuff a generation ago? There were powerful firearms then too. This generation is spoiled. There are good kids out there that work hard and wanna do the right things and are patriotic but all I see anymore is a majority of spoiled Im entitled types. Pull your pants up Son. We need discipline
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    One of my favorite articles regarding why own a gun.....

    Why The Gun is Civilized By Marko Kloos

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100 pound woman on equal footing with a 220 pound mugger, a 75 year old retiree on equal footing with a 19 year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a (armed) mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed, either by choice or legislative fiat—it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV. There people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I’m looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation….. And that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.


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    If someone is so mentally deranged that they will gun down first graders, no amount of good parenting will change that. Our ability to deal with mental issues is almost non existant thanks largely to the ACLU and HIIPA laws.

    Violent video games contribute to this problem. As I said, and is being inconveniently ignored by some, NORMAL people can play them and not act out. Mentally ill people have issues with them.

    Games that depict violence against children should be outlawed,just like child porn is.

    I know a lot of young guys that play Halo and COD and I have no problem with it because they aren' t mentally ill and won' t go out and reenact the scenes in reall life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    If someone is so mentally deranged that they will gun down first graders, no amount of good parenting will change that. Our ability to deal with mental issues is almost non existant thanks largely to the ACLU and HIIPA laws.

    Violent video games contribute to this problem. As I said, and is being inconveniently ignored by some, NORMAL people can play them and act out. Mentally ill people have issues with them.

    Games that depict violence against children should be outlawed,just like child porn is.

    I know a lot of young guys that play Halo and COD and I have no problem with it because they aren' t mentally ill and won' t go out and reenact the scenes in reall life.
    So what is your solution...ban the games or not? There are already ratings on them....Or do you want a government board to decide what is proper and what is not.
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    Ma'am, they likely won't go out and re-enact those scenes because of good parenting when they were young. Nobody can wait until age 8 or 9 to begin being a good parent. By the time a person is able to gain access (legal or otherwise) to firearms, any parenting neglect will already be manifest, and un-retrievable
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMB View Post
    If you think movies and games are to blame, you are just as irrational as the gun control people.

    Enlighten us. What do you feel is the root cause?

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    Misdirected and sour note to blame the media's concealing "a callous, corrupt shadow industry that promotes violent video games" and "blood-soaked films". The NRA should be about freedom, responsibility (personal and parental). That is consistent with beneficial gun ownership.
    If you have to stop a threat, does it matter what video games or movies or how many his his parents allowed? We don't need another social engineer. We need firearms training. Some of this game and movie stuff may be displaced need to self-empowerment and may subside greatly with better gun promotions and participation.

    GFZ is an oxymoron. But it's wrong to point the finger at government and to call for a slow and tedious slog of top-down government-guards solution. It isn't the govt's fault, and divides. Maybe the state can petition for it. But it's not NRA's call.

    LaPierre is at his best as
    Gun-free school zones tell every insane killer that schools are places to inflict maximum pain at minimum risk

    "The only way, the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and... the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun."

    "Every school in the United States should plan meetings and then erect a cordon of protection. Different schools will have different needs."
    And offering knowledgeable and rational security solutions is beneficial and appropriate.

    If you're interested, there's a poll that needs your vote.
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    when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
    -Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    So what is your solution...ban the games or not? There are already ratings on them....Or do you want a government board to decide what is proper and what is not.
    I' m not for banning them, just the ones featuring child killing. I don' t pretend to know the answers to this.
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    LaPierre's speech

    My two cents. The parents have to shoulder some of the responsibility. This new world view of time outs, grounding in a room that has more electronics and toys then I've owned in my life, and turn the other cheek is letting kids know if you do something wrong nothing is gonna happen to you. No God, no morals, no discipline, no repercussions. It's craziness run rampant.


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    I agree with the speech, but the media will castrate the speech as more guns, more guns. I don't believe that banning video games and movies is the answer either. there is no 1 answer, it is a combination of all, games, movies, bad parents, mental issues and guns. Banning any 1 of them will not help. The speech will also keep the NRA out of draft legislation. IMO, should have mentioned a hint at possible more checks and closes loop holes to purchase guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    Ma'am, they likely won't go out and re-enact those scenes because of good parenting when they were young. Nobody can wait until age 8 or 9 to begin being a good parent. By the time a person is able to gain access (legal or otherwise) to firearms, any parenting neglect will already be manifest, and un-retrievable
    You're right about good parenting being important. But, you can't change mental illness by being a good parent. That's all I' m trying to say.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    You're right about good parenting being important. But, you can't change mental illness by being a good parent. That's all I' m trying to say.
    You're correct about mental "illness". That being said, good parenting can greatly reduce the likelihood of post-childhood problems. After more than a decade working in a Veterans Administration Psych facility, I'll tell you that there are many more mental "instabilities" caused by poor or insufficient parenting, and social pressures visited on folks with troubled childhoods, than any biological "illness".
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