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    People Arrested for Drug Law Offenses this Year -- 1.6 million

    People Incarcerated for Drug Law Offenses this Year -- 10.6 thousand

    Maybe the funds would be better spent protecting school children.........

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    I've known a few cases down here where people got busted with a KILO of Cocaine and got PROBATION.They must of snitched,Most home invasions down here are Thugs targeting Drug/Money stash houses.
    They just Arrested 4 LEO's that were part of a Federal Drug Interdiction Task force for Escorting drug shipments through their area and in some cases used their unmarked units as transport vehicles.
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    I know there are good arguements for legalizing marijuana. As it is now, most of the laws target the dealer, not the casual user. IDK, sometimes I think we should just legalize pot and let the ones who want to live in a fog do it. Other times I think it's a big mistake to open the door to that mess.

    I'm completely and forever against the legalization of any other drug. I've seen first hand the terrible things it does to people and babies (through my job...not personally, thank goodnesss).

    So, the debate will go on and on...

    I think defunding some of the wasteful agencies (EPA and Dept. of Ed come to mind, there are lots of others) would free up billions for better use.
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    Can't say that I agree. Drunk drivers kill and injury so many. The use of alcohol results in so much violence. Legalizing drugs will make societal violence increase and the crime rate will increase as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I know there are good arguements for legalizing marijuana. As it is now, most of the laws target the dealer, not the casual user. IDK, sometimes I think we should just legalize pot and let the ones who want to live in a fog do it. Other times I think it's a big mistake to open the door to that mess.

    I'm completely and forever against the legalization of any other drug. I've seen first hand the terrible things it does to people and babies (through my job...not personally, thank goodnesss).

    So, the debate will go on and on...

    I think defunding some of the wasteful agencies (EPA and Dept. of Ed come to mind, there are lots of others) would free up billions for better use.
    I could not agree more. I am against legalizing any more intoxicants than we already have. I don't give a rip that pot smokers are mellow and non-violent; I've got unfortunate first-hand knowledge that too many of them get involved in crime to support their habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I know there are good arguements for legalizing marijuana. As it is now, most of the laws target the dealer, not the casual user. IDK, sometimes I think we should just legalize pot and let the ones who want to live in a fog do it. Other times I think it's a big mistake to open the door to that mess.
    I believe it's already legal in 3 states for anybody over the age of (21?) for recreational use (not just medical) as of around a month ago. That door has already been opened, and it is going to save the states millions, and lower crime rate.

    Gasmitty; Do you think any more kids will commit crimes to pay for something that is legal compared to if it is not legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burns View Post
    I believe it's already legal in 3 states for anybody over the age of (21?) for recreational use (not just medical) as of around a month ago. That door has already been opened, and it is going to save the states millions, and lower crime rate.

    Gasmitty; Do you think any more kids will commit crimes to pay for something that is legal compared to if it is not legal?
    I have no way of knowing that. What I've seen "up-close and personal" is too many young people getting caught up in weed to the point of losing ambition past finding the next bowl. Can't score weed? Fine, go get some "spice" at the local smoke shop - it's legal and it's cheaper. Mix that in with a bad economy where it's hard for young kids to find jobs, and you have a recipe for filling the courts and jails. Making the intoxicant legal won't measurably affect that cycle.
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    Was Al Capone a tax evader or a notorious bootlegger? I believe he was both but as we all know it was the tax evasion charges that allowed us to get him off the street. I don't think the police in Detroit spend any time chasing people for possessing weed but it can be used as a tool to investigate further or get criminals off the street. Why take that tool away from them and legalize it as Detroit just did in the last election?
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    Of course they chase people for pot in Detroit and everywhere else. Every PD needs to put up "war on drugs" numbers, and if you were a cop, would you rather pop crackheads, meth heads, or pot heads?

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    As a career soldier in the "so called War on Drugs" I'll offer this perspective.

    When I became a Special Agent with the U.S. Customs Service in 1984, cocaine sold for about 30K a kilo in America, and heroin was about 90K per kilo. When I retired in 2008, the price per kilogram was bout 18-20K for cocaine, some places cheaper, and 55-60K for heroin. You'd think if we were making it harder to get, the price would go up instead of down huh? We in law enforcement realize that we stop a small percentage of the dope coming into the country from foreign, and only catch and prosecute what I always referred to as the "stupid 12%". The rest are beating our brains out. The drug cartels are better funded and better organized, and significantly more flexible than our law enforcement agencies can ever imagine being.

    I refer to this as a "so called war on drugs" because I've never believed that BS. This "war" is barely a police action, and damn sure not a war. If it were a war, we'd target and take out the drugs at it's source. We (LE) have all the intel regarding where the fields, labs, and warehouses are located. If you can't attack them at their source, you're just pretending to fight a war. We have the command and control cells identified, and track their movements, but can we strike? Nah, might hurt somebodies feelings, also referred to as an international incident.

    The government of Columbia did a good job fighting the Columbian Cartels, and it paid a huge price for it. Judges, prosecutors, reporters assassinated on a regular basis. The government of Mexico is trying now, and suffering the same fate. It's a fight worth fighting, but there is so much money in the trade, and corruption runs rampant.

    I believe marijuana will eventually be legalized in America. I know all the arguments regarding gateway drugs, but I'm not convinced that people that smoke weed, will eventually become heroin addicts or crack heads. Most teens (and pre-teens) in America start with tobacco, then Alcohol or Marijuana.

    The biggest difference between alcohol use and marijuana is really the fact that you can drink a beer or two and not become intoxicated, but if you smoke a single bowl or "joint", you do in fact become intoxicated. Driving while intoxicated is a HUGE problem in our country, and the states that have legalized marijuana are going to have to determine what level is considered too much. There isn't an easy solution to this problem.

    I've also seen first hand how heavy marijuana users tend to completely lose their ambition and drive. Long as they have some weed, everything else is secondary. I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but it is factual and well documented.

    If Washington State and Colorado are able to manage their issues, and put some serious money into the state budget as a result of legalizing it, I think you'll see some other states follow suit. Our prisons are severely overcrowded though, and we're spending millions housing prisoners who are there for drug crimes. Might be time to reexamine some of these laws.
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    there are no good reasons for Pot!

    Over the last 40+ years in the medical field I've seen just too many people screwed over by drugs.
    They always start out with Pot just to relax. Next thing they're doing everything and wrek their
    lives and their familys lives. I really hate pushers, they are bereft of soul and make money from
    dealing death. We should never give up on this war and maybe start using excessive force against
    the drug dealers.
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    Prohibition doesn't work whether its in regards to alcohol, drugs, or guns.
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    If the US government wanted to stop drugs coming into this country they could stop it in 90 days. I think someone up high is getting kickbacks behind the scenes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    I have no way of knowing that. What I've seen "up-close and personal" is too many young people getting caught up in weed to the point of losing ambition past finding the next bowl. Can't score weed? Fine, go get some "spice" at the local smoke shop - it's legal and it's cheaper. Mix that in with a bad economy where it's hard for young kids to find jobs, and you have a recipe for filling the courts and jails. Making the intoxicant legal won't measurably affect that cycle.
    Spice cheaper than weed? That's laughable. I don't know anyone smoking weed that isn't some Mexican brick that would even consider using Spice. And consuming Spice is illegal in most cities now.
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