So Much For Obamacare Will Have No Effect On Our Military

So Much For Obamacare Will Have No Effect On Our Military

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    So Much For Obamacare Will Have No Effect On Our Military

    Remember back when Obama and his cronies were pushing for Obamacare approval they on numerous occasions stated that Obamacare would not alter the TRICARE system in anyway. So after January, at TRICARE retail outlets, the current $12 co-pay for brand name drugs on the military formulary will rise to $17. The $25 co-pay for non-formulary drugs will jump to $44. The co-pay for generic drugs at retail will stay at $5. Drugs will stay free at military pharmacies.
    For mail order, the current $9 co-pay for brand names on formulary will increase to $13. The $25 co-pay for brand names off formulary will jump to $43. Generic drugs will continue to be dispensed by mail at no cost.

    For fiscal 2014 and beyond, the plan directs that drug fees be raised annually by the same percentage as retiree cost-of-living adjustments. In years when a COLA increase applied to pharmacy fees would total less than a dollar, it will be delayed a year and combined with the next adjustment. So that drug fee increases, when executed, are always a dollar or more.

    Food for thought: In my case co pay has risen from $3.00 to $5.00 to $9.00 to $12 and now to $17.00 for a 30 day supply of drugs in the past four years . The future cost of living pay increases for retirees will not be realized by the retiree because the cost of drugs will increase by whatever the COLA percentage increase is. My wife has her on medical plan that is supplemented by Medicare and her co pay is $5.00 for a 30 day supply. Penalize the military they can't fight back. TRICARE Rx Fee Hike Planned for February
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    Sorry to say, but the gravy train is coming to an end. While I am sympathetic to our service members, I have little sympathy for someone who buys what the government is selling. We simply can not continue the level of spending in ALL areas of government, this includes the military.
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    I agree with Shadow. We cannot continue to spend what we don't have and the military should not be exempt from cuts. TRICARE is a huge expense and it's fair that retired pay more to compensate for the increased cost of healthcare.

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    The Military members that served to Retirement signed a Contract,and now the Government isn't living up to their part of that Contract,I don't think anybody sucking on the Welfare Teat ever spent months or years in a war zone,or were seperated from Families while on deployments.
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    If you think military pay, retirement benefits are a gravy train, I tend to think you haven't served in the military, or if you have, haven't deployed and left your family behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow247 View Post
    Sorry to say, but the gravy train is coming to an end. While I am sympathetic to our service members, I have little sympathy for someone who buys what the government is selling. We simply can not continue the level of spending in ALL areas of government, this includes the military.
    P.S. From myself, and all of the military veterans, you are welcome for the freedom to express your opinion. Sleep well, because WE have, and will, continue to keep you safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    I agree with Shadow. We cannot continue to spend what we don't have and the military should not be exempt from cuts. TRICARE is a huge expense and it's fair that retired pay more to compensate for the increased cost of healthcare.
    I agree a little........I think everybody else should be CUT FIRST....before you cut the military. I say that even though I am a veteran, but I do NOT get any healthcare from the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow247 View Post
    Sorry to say, but the gravy train is coming to an end. While I am sympathetic to our service members, I have little sympathy for someone who buys what the government is selling. We simply can not continue the level of spending in ALL areas of government, this includes the military.
    Gravy train.................look, very seldom I get ticked off at a comment and even rarer I talk about my military service but I and my fellow veterans are not on a "gravy train". These are called benefits, not entitlements, not handouts.
    There is a world of difference with folks taking free money and food for ever because they don't want to get a job and folks that have earned it.

    I do agree that the miltary budget needs to be slashed. But sir, don't you ever disrespect veterans agian by insuating they are getting handouts. FYI I as well as many other veterans are disabled to a certain degree from wounds suffered in combat. Many of us on multiple occasions.. I do not feel like I am on a gravy train.
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    I earned my so-called "gravy train" with three deployments to SEA and 20+ plus years of dedication and hard work towards protecting those who chose to enjoy the benefits of my service. I lived up to my part; the gov't can live up to its part. As for the VA, it's never been a friend of mine for reasons I don't need to discuss here. I hope it serves others well; it's never done much for me. But I understand costs going up--it happens. I haven't been happy that costs-of-living increases haven't kept up--even if we received one at all--but that's life, and I never considered it as "gravy."
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    Guess these vets were on the gravy train also until the government went back on its word also:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulle46 View Post
    If you think military pay, retirement benefits are a gravy train, I tend to think you haven't served in the military, or if you have, haven't deployed and left your family behind.
    Or got shot
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    Remember back when Obama and his cronies were pushing for Obamacare approval they on numerous occasions stated that Obamacare would not alter the TRICARE system in anyway. So after January, at TRICARE retail outlets, the current $12 co-pay for brand name drugs on the military formulary will rise to $17. The $25 co-pay for non-formulary drugs will jump to $44. The co-pay for generic drugs at retail will stay at $5. Drugs will stay free at military pharmacies.
    For mail order, the current $9 co-pay for brand names on formulary will increase to $13. The $25 co-pay for brand names off formulary will jump to $43. Generic drugs will continue to be dispensed by mail at no cost.

    For fiscal 2014 and beyond, the plan directs that drug fees be raised annually by the same percentage as retiree cost-of-living adjustments. In years when a COLA increase applied to pharmacy fees would total less than a dollar, it will be delayed a year and combined with the next adjustment. So that drug fee increases, when executed, are always a dollar or more.

    Food for thought: In my case co pay has risen from $3.00 to $5.00 to $9.00 to $12 and now to $17.00 for a 30 day supply of drugs in the past four years . The future cost of living pay increases for retirees will not be realized by the retiree because the cost of drugs will increase by whatever the COLA percentage increase is. My wife has her on medical plan that is supplemented by Medicare and her co pay is $5.00 for a 30 day supply. Penalize the military they can't fight back. TRICARE Rx Fee Hike Planned for February
    This has nothing to do with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It is separate legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Or got shot
    or any myriad of issues. My wife was medically retired due to bad knees. She has days she can barely walk. I don't remember the last time my back hasn't hurt, even before I started wearing a duty belt.i will say,that since I started wearing vibram five fingers, my heel/knee pain pretty much gone. Outside of work,they are only shoes I wear now.
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    Gravy is it? Well let's see just what that gravy cost the person getting it. Being separated from your family during deployments or short tour assignments, being on duty or separated from your family during Thanksgiving and Christmas. Missing your child say his/her first words, and first steps. Being on call to deploy on a moments notice. Working under adverse conditions. Working all hours of the day and night, 7 days a week. Living in sub-standard conditions, because your pay is below the civilian level in the area your stationed. Having promises that were made to you during your career (yes, the military is a career, not a job) broken, because bureaucrat pushes something through congress, because he sees the military retiree as someone who isn't important. You can also add broken families and divorces in there too, military life is hard and stressful to both the member, but their spouse as well. It takes a toll on relationships, that many can't withstand.

    I'll tell you what though. Those of us who have lived through it will take our little bit of "gravy" and carry on. Not because we like it, but because we as the Marines would say, are the few and the strong. We've faced adversity in the past, and we know we can survive it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow247 View Post
    Sorry to say, but the gravy train is coming to an end. While I am sympathetic to our service members, I have little sympathy for someone who buys what the government is selling. We simply can not continue the level of spending in ALL areas of government, this includes the military.
    I agree with Shadow. We cannot continue to spend what we don't have and the military should not be exempt from cuts. TRICARE is a huge expense and it's fair that retired pay more to compensate for the increased cost of healthcare.
    As a US Army retiree who spent 16 years of a 24 year career in some god forsaken 3rd world country, of which 66 months was in Vietnam makes me want to puke when I hear someone say that I am on a gravy train. I'd gladly give back the "Gravy Train" and my service connected disablity check just to have my health back. Needless to say both of the above are either union members or work for the governemt. I do like this forum so I think it is best that I just say, Nuff Said, before I get banned. Where is the ignore button.
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