All you Cops/LEO - Question
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I'm watching this Alaska State Trooper show on National Geo and I hear more than one (several over several shows) of the Officers say, ...
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January 8th, 2013 02:02 AM
All you Cops/LEO - Question
I'm watching this Alaska State Trooper show on National Geo and I hear more than one (several over several shows) of the Officers say, .....
"um, there is one in the chamber, this guy really meant business......"
"um, his gun was loaded, he obviously meant someone harm......"
"um, he had several guns in the car that were loaded, we were really lucky this time.....?"
There are more such stupid statements............. I'll stop at the above to formulate my questions below.
AND none of the people on the show were even cited, let alone arrested.... but the Cops/Troopers got the point across that they were superior and looked down on those people who did not harm them.
Background: Alaska is a Constitutional Carry State. There was no harm in each person (civilian) being encountered having a loaded weapon, pistol or rifle or several, unless they are a felon or those who should not have weapons. Period! Also, each time the (TV Show) AK Trooper asked about 'any weapons', the person in the car/truck openly said 'yes, here it is' and did not try to hide anything (BECAUSE THEY WERE LEAGAL and IN THE RIGHTS TO DO SO)............
Question #1 - Why is it so cool for 'TV Cops ('reality show Cops') to make it 'sound' REALLY BAD for someone to be exercising the rights the State and Constitution has given them - ooooohhhhh, the leagally carried firearm is actually loaded (quick, get a camera shot of me making a big deal out of this).
Question #2 - Why do some Cops get into a certain quasi-strange postion in the job where all of the sudden, law abiding people do not have rights anymore?
Having asked questions #1 and #2 above, I really want to hear back from LEO Only on this. (I have been an LEO - very early, before the USMC Service of 2+ decades).
Why are LEO so special and above the rest of us to act this way? And to present such bias on NATIONAL TV? Granted, I respect that it is a very risky trade in the brush and most people you encounter are the dregs of the world. I get that. But to take nationally viewed shows and openly show our 2A rights as something that is bad, I spit on you for that. Technically, you work for me. The Legal and Tax Paying Citizen. Do not forget that!
Just to be fair... I have been shot at at close range (and the long range B'tards were not even close), so I LOVE and RESPECT your mission and day to day job............ Just putting it out there............................... Where is the line?
Last edited by ANGLICO; January 8th, 2013 at 03:02 AM.
January 8th, 2013 02:02 AM
January 8th, 2013 02:06 AM
Tag for later. Seems like it would be an interesting discussion.
January 8th, 2013 02:28 AM
I'll just leave this one add.............
After the Viet War........... into the late '70s and mid '80s, we seemed to have real police who would work with people.........
After the '90s we had less military (Prior Service) police who where in the mix of the local, regional, state or federal police/officers/whatever......
Now we seem to have a group of people in the Law Enforcment who have no experience except for classroom studies, and a union contribution, who are CRUSHED by the fear of leftists lawyers making sure they keep in line.....
Where did we go wrong where a COP/LEO/Hero of a young child could be an individual and really stand for our Constitution....
I do not see it anymore. Nor do many I converse with.
LEO. You may want to not be considered outsiders.
January 8th, 2013 02:36 AM
First thing to remember about reality television- it isn't reality.
I am sure that officers in some big cities with anti-gun leanings have made those kind of comments when there were no cameras around. I'm thinking your average Alaska trooper may have even thought something like that in his first year or two on the job just because he'd seen it on television so much before he ever pinned on the badge. However, when we're watching that show, or any of the other cops shows, I always assume that most asinine comments were made because the television people told them to say it when the camera was off. You know, so they'd have "compelling television" and "hard hitting stories". There isn't much excitement in saying "He had a big bore rifle in the car. Everyone here usually carries a gun in the car because in some places response time by police will be better counted in hours than minutes."
Number 2 is a difficult question to answer. I don't know of any officer that thinks you don't have rights. Lord knows I'm one of the most vocal 2nd Amendment advocates anyone will ever encounter. That doesn't mean that your right to have a gun trumps my right to continue taking in oxygen. When a LEO comes into contact with you there are many more unknown issues than there are known issues. For example if I stop you for speeding I know very little about you when I walk up to your vehicle. When you're polite and turn on the interior light and keep your hands on the steering wheel it allows me to relax a bit, but I still don't know who you are, why you felt the need to drive 15 MPH over the speed limit, etc. When you hand me your driver's license and insurance card and I notice there is an extra card as you tell me that you have a CCW and are carrying a weapon I will admit my heart rate increases for a moment. (I do wish all states had a duty to inform, I'd much rather you tell me than me see it on your hip as you're shifting in your seat to get your wallet or something, but that's just me.) Unless I suspect you of DUI or some such I'll simply ask where the gun is and what kind of gun you're carrying. Once you tell me I'll reply with "Well let's just keep it there until we're done and we won't have any problems" After a moment my heart rate will return to normal and my mind will win out that you're one of the good guys, criminals don't have permits and they don't tell cops they have guns, they show them as they pull the trigger. But if you're acting odd or I think you've been drinking you're coming out of the car and I am removing the pistol from your person. Assuming there is no arrest it will be given back to you unloaded when we're done. I'll ask that you not load it until I'm back in my car, and that will be that. But that's only happened once, every other time the person has ended up in cuffs for the behavior that made me ask them to get out of the car. (The exception was someone that had beer spilled on him by a waitress while he was eating. Very strong smell of alcohol, no signs he was drinking once out of the vehicle.) If you perceive my disarming you due to my suspicion is a violation of your rights, I honestly do apologize. But that's where my right to continue being alive wins out.
Edit to add:
I should have mentioned that once you've informed me that you have a CCW and are armed that's not the end. Unless I stopped you for doing something very stupid you probably just found the one of the very few ways to get out of a ticket from me once I've stopped you. After I've made sure there aren't any warrants or other problems that need to be addressed I'll likely write out a warning. I'll come back, explain I am giving you a warning, then ask about your pistol, how you like it, where you shoot.... something to be friendly and show that I support your decision to defend yourself.
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January 8th, 2013 04:07 AM
Well said friend.
Originally Posted by Echo_Four
January 8th, 2013 04:55 AM
This sounds about right to me! We were given a lot more decision making power when I was active LEO, now it seems all decisions are made ahead of time and put into print, thus no decision making on the LEO's part.
Originally Posted by ANGLICO
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January 8th, 2013 09:00 AM
In all fairness, I keep one in the chamber because I certainly mean business.
Originally Posted by ANGLICO
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January 8th, 2013 09:54 AM
They say it because it makes for a good show.
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January 8th, 2013 10:00 AM
Reality shows have nothing in common with "reality"
I'd rather be lucky than good any day
There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.
Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.
January 8th, 2013 10:02 AM
The round in the chamber or under the hammer in a revolver is definitely at the beginning of the "business" end of the handgun and it should be that way.
If it wasn't, you have a very expensive hammer at your disposal.
I agree with someone above about "Reality TV" it isn't reality.
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January 8th, 2013 10:03 AM
Pay no attention to that show...the LEO's have now become paid actors...the more they work in the show and the longer the show last the more they make...Most all so called "reality" shows at some point are scripted to a degree or dialogue is suggested by the producers for effect.
There are two types of people who carry concealed weapons...Responsible ones and Irresponsible ones...which are you...
January 8th, 2013 10:35 AM
You know being on the ether side of this...I have been pulled over three or four times since getting my CHL all have been warnings save one (that one was obvious badgering of petrolium industry vehicles in the boondocks of west Texas by a local cop in a town known for making it's revenue from ticketing out of towners. I beat that one by taking pictures of the scene. Long story short, don't ticket me for 59 in a 45 zone when I've been in a 60 zone for half a mile.) The only benifit of having the CHL vs constitutional carry is when I hand that card over I know he knows I'm not a felon...kinda like a I'm not a bad guy card.
Originally Posted by Echo_Four
January 8th, 2013 12:15 PM
Just to address a few comments....
I've had the COPS crew ride with me several times (cats outta the bag now isnt it LOL) and I havent received a dime. Nor was my dinner paid for. The sound guy did Windex my windshield before the ride-along though, so I guess thats a perk. We are not paid actors however.
If we're talking about the show COPS, it's reality. The crew is quite open about that. They advised me that they will be there, but as out of the way as possible. They make good on that promise. They simply watch you going about your business.
There are little things that they "produce", but that have no effect on the actual police work involved. They will film the "drive by" of your car. They will also film that 10 second narrative about yourself. Ya know, the show where the camera is aimed at your temple, and you say something like "I know my job, its a pretty city etc..." Lastly, once the call is over, they will (if possible and applicable) have you "talk" to other officers for a few seconds to recap the call. Thats why you always see the guy go into the car, then the arresting officer "review" the call with his partners for a few seconds.
Those parts are uncomfortable for the LEO's Because we are NOT actors. Sometimes you just dont know what to say, so stuff like "he really meant business" is all you come up with. We dont like it any more than you do sometimes
To the OP, TV is TV. You asked why its cool for cops on TV to be so against CC. It isnt, and I dont hear that often, if at all. I've said it a thousand times. I cant think of a single cop that is against legal citizens carrying. As a matter of fact, every one of them that I know is actively FOR CC. If you heard it once on a tv show, it could simply be due to the fact that the non-actor cop was at a loss for words when a Hyundai sized camera is in his face.
You also asked why LEO's act "so special and above the rest of us". Maybe im taking it out of context, but that makes no sense to me. When he said the guy meant business with one in the chamber. Well, sure! I'd have two in the chamber if I could! It just might sound a little weird on TV, but I think it was an innocent "tv camera in the face" type of comment.
LEO's are quite CC friendly, trust me.
OC is a little different. We understand the pro's and con's, but it can still be a hassle since we get the calls. And we've all run into the YouTube wannabe's also. Speaking for myself only, im not "against" OC, but I much prefer CC, and much prefer the public to CC. But in the end, as long as you are carrying, and not being a jerk, i'm very pro-carry.
January 8th, 2013 12:19 PM
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" ~ Mark Twain
January 8th, 2013 12:32 PM
I agree that it's either "for" TV, or a "filler" comment.
Personally, I'm all for legal carry. I don't care if people want to conceal or open carry. I prefer open carry and will never tell someone they should conceal when open carry is legal. Maybe it's just me.
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