Mental health and guns

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    From the perspective of one soldier:
    The Army has been having a lot of trouble with mental health over the last few years; suicide has been especially problematic.

    The Army's solution to problems like this is generally along the lines of "do more of what we tried before that hasn't worked as well as we intended"

    Now we have more suicide prevention classes. We train everyone to recognize and react to the signs and symptoms. Suicide has not been curbed.

    Now we have mental health screenings annually and after deployments. Obviously, there are not enough psychiatric professionals (they are burdened with current cases) to do the screenings, so we have nurses ask and record the results of the screening questions.

    Do you have trouble sleeping? Do you get along with your unit leadership? Answer wrong, and get a 3 in your profile.

    This means no schools. It means you don't deploy with your unit. It means you don't get promoted until cleared by one of the overburdened specialists.

    The result of this screening is clear. Either we delay careers, or we lie about it and Charlie Mike. Either way, we have squandered the already limited mental health resources we have.

    It is bad enough to have it in the service, I don't want to see this imposed on the rest of my countrymen.
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    Suicide prevention classes make it easier for young kids to joke about suicide. "I'd rather shoot myself in the face than sit through this stupid suicide briefing." - the DoD is one dismal failure after another when it comes to mental health - and has been for the past 100+ years. Everything gets dumped off on the VA to deal with after the fact, and even then it's only those that are able to self-refer before ruining their lives/relationships and/or killing themselves. "Damage control" is the wrong approach - prevention in the first place is what the DoD should be looking at. Unfortunately this has been known for decades and no one has shown any interest yet....

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    Yes, the DSM -IV, a manual used to classify and diagnose mental health. You can find a mental illness to fit ANYONE in this. Depressed? No gun for you.Did you have a weird thought? No gun for you. Doctors pass out pills like they are candy.When will this be used against people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.stuart View Post
    Yes, the DSM -IV, a manual used to classify and diagnose mental health. You can find a mental illness to fit ANYONE in this. Depressed? No gun for you.Did you have a weird thought? No gun for you. Doctors pass out pills like they are candy.When will this be used against people?
    I'm afraid what you have written is a common myth, both about DSM and handing out pills, but there is---as with many
    troubling stories--- enough truth to give it wide acceptance.

    Start with the fact people don't just arrive at a doc's office for no reason. They get there because something
    concerned them enough to seek assistance; or they get there because their behavior was severely concerning to others
    to the point that they appeared to be a threat to themselves or to others. The doc then has to either make a diagnosis
    or determine that there is nothing wrong. But, something did bring you through the door and it wasn't likely because you felt just great.

    A lot of energy and thought and intellect goes into writing and revising DSM --- V will be out soon. It won't be perfect
    anymore than the earlier editions, but it will be an improvement. Perfection doesn't exist in the world of
    medical diagnoses as demonstrated by the high % of general medical diagnoses which are believed to be erroneous.
    How much more for very subjective issues? This doesn't mean we throw our hands up and give up.

    The proposed revisions were open to comment by both the professionals and the general public. I know I certainly
    had an opportunity to comment on one particular section, and I am not a mental health professional-- just a volunteer for
    an organization which does try to help folks with one specific issue.

    There are few things in this world where you can find precision and accuracy and a low error rate. None of them are in
    medicine-- not even in the most routine of matters. Humans and their disorders just don't lend themselves well to
    the sorts of certainty attainable when assessing something with an engineer's or physicist's, or accountant's eye.
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    This is easy. if your a politician you seem to be mentally unstable. if you are a supposedly law abiding citizen the you can have a gun, GO GIT ONE

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