50 year old generic white guy-rethinking pot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Jack Daniels made me much more psychotic, dangerous and unpredictable than marijuana ever did. The manner does matter.
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    Different substances affect the body in a variety of ways, it's not fair to group them together especially if you have never done anything aside from drink (good choice, by the way). To say someone "wasted" on meth and someone "wasted" on pot are equally dangerous is silly to the point of absurdity.

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    The funnniest thing I hear about pot is that it is a gateway drug to other drugs. Almost every one I knew also drank before they smoke pot. Sometimes the arguements are just judicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bombthrower77 View Post
    You forgot the original reason that pot is illegal. It cuts into the profits of the alcohol lobby. Pot was perfectly legal until after the repeal of Prohibition. The view that it was somehow "more dangerous" than alcohol is and has been a fabrication. Moreover, Jefferson and Washington both grew "smoking hemp" and Jefferson was quoted as actually using it on occasion.
    I agree that the whole prohibition of pot thing is idiotic on numerous fronts, but I wouldn't use the founders as an example. The bud today is a completely different animal...er breed, compared to the hemp of our founders. The chemical and biological engineering that has gone into pot for the last few decades has developed some extremely potent breeds comparatively speaking.

    and no...I don't smoke pot, but I support those that do as long as they're somewhat responsible about it. I just don't personally like not being in full control of my faculties and I still like being able to pass drug tests for work etc...
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    As far as pot being a gateway drug...I think it is in people who have addictive personalities. How many people go directly to Meth or Heroin without any previous Marijuana use?

    Many people can use pot and never move on to anything stronger, just like many people can drink and not move on to become raging alcoholics. However, I do think in those susceptable people it is a gateway drug and that's one of the dangers.

    It's pretty obvious pot is not going away, so maybe legalizing it is the way to go. Can you imagine the bureaucracy that's going to entail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    As far as pot being a gateway drug...I think it is in people who have addictive personalities. How many people go directly to Meth or Heroin without any previous Marijuana use?

    Many people can use pot and never move on to anything stronger, just like many people can drink and not move on to become raging alcoholics. However, I do think in those susceptable people it is a gateway drug and that's one of the dangers.

    It's pretty obvious pot is not going away, so maybe legalizing it is the way to go. Can you imagine the bureaucracy that's going to entail?
    What, precisely is an "addictive personality"? I was a "raging alcoholic", and three-pack-a-day smoker, yet never cared for pot. I smoked it maybe a half-dozen times in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    What, precisely is an "addictive personality"? I was a "raging alcoholic", and three-pack-a-day smoker, yet never cared for pot. I smoked it maybe a half-dozen times in my life.
    I didn't say pot smoking = alcoholism. I said that pot smoking is probably something done by people who go on to use hard drugs.

    "addictive personality" is a medical term and it doesn't mean that a person is addicted to drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I didn't say pot smoking = alcoholism. I said that pot smoking is probably something done by people who go on to use hard drugs.

    "addictive personality" is a medical term and it doesn't mean that a person is addicted to drugs.
    Addictive personality is a 12-step term foisted upon us by the treatment industry, but I digress. For the last fifty years that I can speak to personally, the powers that be have tried hard to convince us there is a causal relationship between pot smoking and drug addiction, and the best they have proven is "maybe, sometimes". Given the amount of energy and resources expended, I would have hoped for something more concrete by now.
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    If you think that legalizing pot, crack, meth, heroin, etc. will solve the U.S.'s drug problems...think again.
    You foks who are all for legalizing this stuff need to have a few addicts make your doorway, street or park their home.
    Dirty needles, crack vials...filthy, wild-eyed, stoned-out people wandering around neighborhoods...begging for money... 'relieving themselves' in front of your kids...
    And then there are the filthy, hungry, truant and abused kids of addicts...
    ...or stoned people behind the wheel...or signing up for full gov. disability...because they can't help that they're addicts.
    Let's face it, drug abusers are a huge societal problem. And they'll be just as much a problem if their drugs are legalized.
    Personally, I'd rather have them off the streets.
    I've heard that like alcohol, pot can be used in moderation. But it comes with a raft of it's own problems too (thc content, additives, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Actually it's their own people murdering them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass63 View Post
    If you think that legalizing pot, crack, meth, heroin, etc. will solve the U.S.'s drug problems...think again.
    You foks who are all for legalizing this stuff need to have a few addicts make your doorway, street or park their home.
    Dirty needles, crack vials...filthy, wild-eyed, stoned-out people wandering around neighborhoods...begging for money... 'relieving themselves' in front of your kids...
    And then there are the filthy, hungry, truant and abused kids of addicts...
    ...or stoned people behind the wheel...or signing up for full gov. disability...because they can't help that they're addicts.
    Let's face it, drug abusers are a huge societal problem. And they'll be just as much a problem if their drugs are legalized.
    Personally, I'd rather have them off the streets.
    I've heard that like alcohol, pot can be used in moderation. But it comes with a raft of it's own problems too (thc content, additives, etc.)
    And criminalizing it all somehow mitigates it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Jack Daniels made me much more psychotic, dangerous and unpredictable than marijuana ever did. The manner does matter.
    But you were wasted either way, and I learned long ago that being wasted is a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    It's pretty obvious pot is not going away, so maybe legalizing it is the way to go. Can you imagine the bureaucracy that's going to entail?
    Background checks on every purchase? Three-day waiting period? No more than seven joints hidden in your cigarette pack? No pistol-grip bongs? Oh, the imagination can run wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bombthrower77 View Post
    You forgot the original reason that pot is illegal. It cuts into the profits of the alcohol lobby. Pot was perfectly legal until after the repeal of Prohibition. The view that it was somehow "more dangerous" than alcohol is and has been a fabrication. Moreover, Jefferson and Washington both grew "smoking hemp" and Jefferson was quoted as actually using it on occasion.
    I agree, but you left out a industry that is just as concerned in leaving pot illegal....the Drug Companies....same reason as the Alcohol Lobby. It might make their product less desirable, thus making less profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    I agree, but you left out a industry that is just as concerned in leaving pot illegal....the Drug Companies....same reason as the Alcohol Lobby. It might make their product less desirable, thus making less profit.
    Smart companies have learned to branch out into whatever makes a buck, not suppress it.
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    I drank COKE straight before I eventually started putting RUM into it so I think Coca~Cola might be a gateway soft drink leading to alcohol consumption.
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