November 4th, 2006 12:55 AM
Every religion has its Fanatics, Fanatics can't be trusted no matter what they believe. Each person in the USA has the right to worship how they will. If You enter the armed service you take an oath of Allegiance to this country, if you break that oath the Military has the means and Code of Justice to punish them, and will. If the chaplain to the soldiers of any faith teach anti USA doctrine then the Military can remove them because they are breaking their oath.
Condeming an individual because of his religious belief on the actions of a group of Fanatics who profess to believe the same religion is very wrong and dangerous.
Remember, every time you point your finger at anyone you point 4 back at yourself.
November 4th, 2006 01:06 AM
There was more to it than that.
Originally Posted by dr_cmg
November 4th, 2006 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by WorldPax
Good question; wrong approach to the answer. Our logic and our Western experience and mind-set will not provide the answer. Rather, read and listen to what those have to tell us who have come out of the (fill in the blank) culture -- regardless of which country -- and begin to understand how they think, what they believe, and why they act the way they do. Actually, it's all pretty logical, easy to see why they believe what they believe, and why radical is to them not radical but, rather, "faithful." But you have to have the right tools or keys, the right understanding of some core beliefs, to unlock and gain entrance into their world view.
The idea of terrorism -- which is anathema to us -- is one of their means of spreading their system of belief, and it's actually more than encouraged. It's required. While I grant there are many of them who "have not arrived" at that place of understanding, the fact is, where is the great out-cry of their leaders against this aspect of their spreading their tenants? It doesn't exist! Their leaders are happy to have moderate, regular believers give the impression that they are against the militants and act as spokespersons on the subject. Even our media bring forth "experts" and they say the same thing. But if ever one of the leaders of their more highly regarded centers of "worship" were to issue a legal order and interpretation that their faith is categorically against the use of force to spread the faith, he would be dead in very short order. Reason being, he left the faith. Period. The faith is predicated on the idea of struggle, and that at multiple levels from personal to armed international terror to ultimately bring the whole earth under the control of their system for their god.
I'd encourage you who aren't grasping the danger here, listen to an interview of one who has come out. He's highly credentialed and has spoken before Parliment and Congress. Worth the listen. Go to www.whitehorseinn.org and go to archives. Search for the interview with Sam Solomon. There is part one and part two. The questions asked are fair. The answers given are from their text sources. (The site is not up 24/7 so keep trying. If you want to hear it and can't get the file, I can send the file to you if you can handle 9 MB.) Or to download from another site: http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/T...n/archives.asp
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November 4th, 2006 09:24 AM
I got lost between all the fillin the blanks. You should be able to say what you mean and stop hiding behind political correctness. No guts no glory.
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Illegitimus Non Carborundum.
In God we trust.
November 4th, 2006 10:40 AM
There have been attempts on this board to have serious discussions about religious topics. The threads have been closed sometimes because the moderators have deemed that there was bashing going on. Perhaps rightly so. So I have obviously tried to let the reader fill in the blanks to avoid closing down what I (obviously) sincerely believe is a paramount topic.
Originally Posted by Old Chief
Yeah, I'd love to call it what it is. I am not out for glory. But it does take guts to face the facts about this cancer in our midst.
November 4th, 2006 11:05 AM
There are lots of places on the internet to discuss religion and politics. The owner of this site has made an effort to keep our focus on concealed carry issues and away from the bashing that seems to accompany every thread dealing with the issues of somebody elses politics or religion. Tarring an entire group of people with the same brush won't be allowed here...
"I surrounded 'em"- Alvin York
"They're ain't many troubles that a man can't fix with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six"- Jeff Cooper
November 4th, 2006 11:37 AM
And I agree with most of what is said here, and my post is not to be construed in any way to be bashing people. It is, however, meant to dialogue on the topic -- off topic, if you will, and posted on the board-site for such non-CC issues) -- of the implications intendent upon the issue brought up in the "Investors Business Daily" editorial.
Originally Posted by Team American
But if a CC issue must be the rule (and I don't think the blonds have found that to be true, for they have been mercilessly demeaned on this board), let it be this: Ultimately some other group's politico-religiosity may some day impact our 2A rights if it gains the upper hand in our constitutional republic. It may be the intention of this thread to consider this possibility.
November 4th, 2006 11:54 AM
It seems some of you do not want Muslims in the military. So where does it stop? Should we not allow them to teach in schools since they may corrupt the minds of the youths? (sound familiar?) Maybe we shouldn't allow them to congregate at all. Maybe we shouldn't let them have weapons either...
It's a slippery slope, and we as Americans must take the High Road.
I find some satisfaction in saying "yes, you may hate us and want to kill us- yet we will still allow your religion to be practiced in our country and we will not take away any rights of those practicing it in our country"
November 4th, 2006 12:02 PM
oh yeah, I forgot to say that it seems pretty clear that the mil is activly recruiting muslims probably because we need fluent Arabic speakers. It's no surprise that there are many more in the mil right now.
November 4th, 2006 12:17 PM
I think we are all aware of the fact that Radical Islamo~Fascism poses a serious threat to the entire world and not just to the United States. All Muslims are not terrorists.
We encourage all forum members to research the topic of Radical Islam on the Internet and reach their own logical conclusions on the topic.
CombatCarry is just not the place to discuss it all though as this is primarily a gun board and not a religious discussion board.
It's fantastic if you want to discuss it.
Trade E-mail addresses with each other and discuss it off CombatCarry.
Political Correctness has nothing to do with it.
Look at the header at the top of this page.
Does it say COMBATCARRY.COM
CONCEALED WEAPONS CARRY - FIREARMS - EDGED WEAPONS - TACTICAL EQUIPMENT - TRAINING - LAW ENFORCEMENT & MILITARY - RELIGION - CHRISTIANS - JEWS - MUSLIMS - AGNOSTICS
I don't see that up there anywhere.
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November 4th, 2006 04:39 PM
I'm going to get the last word here because well, I own the place.
I despise political correctness more than most of you, I expect. And I don't want it injected into the forum. But I also am trying very hard to keep this forum from falling into the trap that other forums seem to fall into over time. That is, specifically, cliques that line up based on political, social or religious lines. I have said it before, I am a conservative and have little or no tolerance for liberal idealogy. But, have friends that are liberal to varying degrees. I refuse to argue the points with them because they are not going to change me, I am not going to change them. We remain friends because we don't discuss it. If I want to talk about conservativism vs liberalism, I will go to political forum to do so. Then, we can remain friends and concentrate on what we have in common rather than our differences. If a war ever starts between concervatives and liberals; well, we will know where to find each other. But until then, we will remain friends. I am insisting to that we do that here, as well. The "political correctness" that weasels it's way into the forum are from those that know the rules but continue to try to bring these topics up without actually crossing the line. My tolerance of this is wearing thin.
I don't want people to have to censor their own posts. I want them to realize that if they feel they need to do that they shouldn't be posting it here. Simply take it elsewhere. Politics, devisive social issues and religion are not topics we welcome here. If you can abide by that rule, whether you agree with it or not, you're welcome; if you cannot abide by rules (that you have agreed to already, BTW) then it would be better if you found another forum. The focus here is concealed carry, guns, kinives and related equipment. Other off topic and humor topics are also welcomed as long as it's intent is not to slam or flame anyone. If you are one that is so politically angry or that just wants to start chaos, please PM me and I will point you towards an appropriate Internet venue for you to vent. I visit some of them myself to vent about (fill in the blank).
And, since it was brought up, if you're a blonde and take offense at anything here, you may want to recalibrate your sensitivity setting......
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