Further Proof the Village Idiot Runs the Schools

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    A CA school takes its kids on a week-long camp out and freaks out when a kid brings a small Swiss Army knife. Kid is held "in solitary confinement". You just can't make this stuff up.

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    Well, a school sanctioned event means the rules still have to be followed. That means no knives. The teacher and the school severly overreacted though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    Well, a school sanctioned event means the rules still have to be followed. That means no knives. The teacher and the school severly overreacted though.
    This is true, that is why these rediculous rules need to be changed.
    They are teaching the little kiddies to be good little sheep.

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    I'm a teacher, and we have a supposed zero tolerance policy about knives in my school. But it's a rural place, and lots of the voc tech kids have leatherman tools or small knives clipped to their pockets. Whenever I see one, I confiscate it, say "You're lucky a more hysterical teacher didn't see this or you'd end up suspended," and tell the guy to get it at the end of the day. People are so uptight.

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    Yeh, Ya got follow the rules but acting stupid is not to anyone's credit.
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    I'm still trying to figure out why an elementary school would be taking kids on a weeklong camp out to begin with.

    Zero-tolerance policies simply allow administrators to apply arbitrary restrictions rather than using the brain God gave them. If they refuse to actually think and use their brain why do we have to pay them so much?
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    My daughter's 6th grade class went on a camping trip. I was for 3 nights, not a week but it was something they all looked forward to. This was in the 90's and I doubt they do it any more.

    I wish the teachers had some common sense nowdays. Caymen_shen is definitely the exception not the rule.
    Yes, rules have to be followed but common sense and a sense of proportionally is important too.

    A little Swiss Army Knife at a camping trip is a camping tool. If he had brought it to a birthday party at school that would be a little different but still not grounds for the kind of punishment that was given to this little boy.

    I completely agree with the Father's last statement:

    “They’re not teaching critical thinking,” he said. “That’s what she’s teaching these kids – to react on your emotions instead of gathering information.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    My daughter's 6th grade class went on a camping trip. I was for 3 nights, not a week but it was something they all looked forward to. This was in the 90's and I doubt they do it any more.

    I wish the teachers had some common sense nowdays. Caymen_shen is definitely the exception not the rule.
    Yes, rules have to be followed but common sense and a sense of proportionally is important too.

    A little Swiss Army Knife at a camping trip is a camping tool. If he had brought it to a birthday party at school that would be a little different but still not grounds for the kind of punishment that was given to this little boy.

    I completely agree with the Father's last statement:

    “They’re not teaching critical thinking,” he said. “That’s what she’s teaching these kids – to react on your emotions instead of gathering information.”
    Actually, the Dad does not understand even the simplest definition of critical thinking. He is the one acting with emotion, not the teacher. I think the rule is stupid but it does not matter. It was a school event and knives are banned from school. If it is zero tolerance the teacher did her job as much as we don't like it.

    The teacher gathered information and did what she was suppose to do. The father wants her to ignore the rule and make a subjective moral decision which is the opposite of critical thinking.
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    I thought I posted this already so if it shows up twice please excuse me.

    It many cases, not all, it seems that as soon as a normally level headed, intelligent person is either elected to or appointed to a school board or some other school related organization that they are instantly transformed into "village idiots" and do or support really stupid ideas, rules or policies.

    I find this mystifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Actually, the Dad does not understand even the simplest definition of critical thinking. He is the one acting with emotion, not the teacher. I think the rule is stupid but it does not matter. It was a school event and knives are banned from school. If it is zero tolerance the teacher did her job as much as we don't like it.

    The teacher gathered information and did what she was suppose to do. The father wants her to ignore the rule and make a subjective moral decision which is the opposite of critical thinking.
    I think it was the extreme punishment given to the kid that was the issue. If the teacher had taken the knife away and told him it's not allowed and given it back after the trip, I would applaud her.

    Instead she went into a complete melt down freak out...which tells me she's an emotional reactor, not just enforcing the rules.

    Critical thinking involves more than just slavishly following the rules.

    For the record, I don't think the boy should have brought the knife on the camping trip either because most little kids get into trouble by accident rather than intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Actually, the Dad does not understand even the simplest definition of critical thinking. He is the one acting with emotion, not the teacher. I think the rule is stupid but it does not matter. It was a school event and knives are banned from school. If it is zero tolerance the teacher did her job as much as we don't like it.

    The teacher gathered information and did what she was suppose to do. The father wants her to ignore the rule and make a subjective moral decision which is the opposite of critical thinking.
    Suntzu - I agree, the rule is the rule and should have been followed. That having been said, I think it is a far stretch to think that a 24 hour solitary confinement forcing the kid to eat, sleep and just be alone for a whole day is an appropriate way to handle this circumstance. If they took the knife away and put him back in the general population, that could have solved the problem just fine. The over-the-top response by the "adults" on site, was what I found offensive in the extreme.

    I also find zero tolerance policies are a stupid way to manage any organization. In our school district, using a fire extinguisher for anything other than putting out a fire is grounds for a premanent expulsion - zero tolerance. Now, if the next Dillon Klebold were to, God forbid, show up at our HS, and a quick thinking and/or trained kid used a fire extinguisher to stop the attack by both letting it off in the attackers face then smashing him over the head with it, the rules say he would be permanently expelled and there is nothing that anybody can do about it because it is a zero tolerance policy. This is the kind of stupid stuff that can result from not using common sense to address situations - not to mention putting a 10 yo kid in solitary over a pocket knife.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hodad View Post
    I thought I posted this already so if it shows up twice please excuse me.

    It many cases, not all, it seems that as soon as a normally level headed, intelligent person is either elected to or appointed to a school board or some other school related organization that they are instantly transformed into "village idiots" and do or support really stupid ideas, rules or policies.

    I find this mystifying.
    Yeah, me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    Well, a school sanctioned event means the rules still have to be followed. That means no knives. The teacher and the school severly overreacted though.


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    I don't know when I've ever seen a Swiss Army Knife as tiny as that one was. Only a Fool goes camping w/o a Knife. In that same link a Chicago teacher got suspended for 4 days for showing his students a Pair Of PLIERS!!!!!!!!!! I think it's past time to ship the ballot box and replace it with another box.
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    The girls were better and faster at getting a fire going. Of all my college experiences teaching these kids Outdoor Skills made me damn Proud of myself. I would NEVER go in the woods without at least ONE Knife...usually I have 2 or 3.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I think it was the extreme punishment given to the kid that was the issue. If the teacher had taken the knife away and told him it's not allowed and given it back after the trip, I would applaud her.

    Instead she went into a complete melt down freak out...which tells me she's an emotional reactor, not just enforcing the rules.

    Critical thinking involves more than just slavishly following the rules.

    For the record, I don't think the boy should have brought the knife on the camping trip either because most little kids get into trouble by accident rather than intent.
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    Suntzu - I agree, the rule is the rule and should have been followed. That having been said, I think it is a far stretch to think that a 24 hour solitary confinement forcing the kid to eat, sleep and just be alone for a whole day is an appropriate way to handle this circumstance. If they took the knife away and put him back in the general population, that could have solved the problem just fine. The over-the-top response by the "adults" on site, was what I found offensive in the extreme.

    I also find zero tolerance policies are a stupid way to manage any organization. In our school district, using a fire extinguisher for anything other than putting out a fire is grounds for a premanent expulsion - zero tolerance. Now, if the next Dillon Klebold were to, God forbid, show up at our HS, and a quick thinking and/or trained kid used a fire extinguisher to stop the attack by both letting it off in the attackers face then smashing him over the head with it, the rules say he would be permanently expelled and there is nothing that anybody can do about it because it is a zero tolerance policy. This is the kind of stupid stuff that can result from not using common sense to address situations - not to mention putting a 10 yo kid in solitary over a pocket knife.
    I agree the punishment part was dumb. And I also think that zero tolerance rules are idiotic. Decisions need to be made on a case by case basis.
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    Yep...agreed. Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence.
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    I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies.
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