More disturbing police action
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April 30th, 2013 09:35 PM
More disturbing police action
Let me say right up front that I have the utmost respect for our law enforcement and wouldn't want to do their job. I just worry that it's becoming easier for some police to do things like this. I hope it's an isolated incident and it's not becoming a trend. I saw this couple interviewed on TV this afternoon and talk about a violation of rights...
Police Take Baby Away From Family That Wanted Second Medical Opinion | Fox News Insider
April 30th, 2013 09:35 PM
April 30th, 2013 09:45 PM
Let me say that police do not take children out of a house without cause. They do not go door to door looking for work. They do what they are ordered to do by some agency or District Attorney.
Child Protection can order a child taken away from a home.
Medical centers can have police bring a patient back in that has been taken against medical directives.
Please bear in mind that you heard only one side of the story. I bet when the whole story is told, you might change your mind about the issue.
Had the baby died from abuse, neglect or whatever, would you fault an agency for not doing something? Did you read about the couple that did not believe in medical drs that had their second child die from lack of medical care? Would you think the CPS should have taken that child?
The problem with news media is that none of them tell the entire story but just give one side.
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April 30th, 2013 10:08 PM
Sounds like they should move back to Russia where they can experience some liberty...
April 30th, 2013 10:43 PM
Yes, they probably were ordered to do that by child protection services or whoever has the authority to have the police go into someone's house and remove a child.
Originally Posted by oldman45
The "abuse" was that there were seeking a second opinion about heart surgery for the baby and the first doctor filed a complaint.
There are plenty of good reasons to take a child from abusive parents but having the police go in seems a little heavy handed, don't you think?
April 30th, 2013 10:58 PM
Jean, I agree with both you and oldman45 on this...... If the couples story checks out then CPS has some 'splain' to do. If there's another valid concern that we're not privy to then that'll come out. This incident will set a certain precedent me thinks.
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April 30th, 2013 11:10 PM
I think so too Goldshell. I've seen so many babies that should have been removed from the home and aren't (drug addicted mothers). There is so much child abuse, horrible abuse ending in the death of the child that isn't noticed before it's too late.
Originally Posted by goldshellback
I'm just frustrated that these parents are accused of abuse for seeking a second opinion from another doctor!
To me it was a knee jerk reaction and not investigated before the police were sent in. If you're sending the police in to forcibly remove an infant from it's parents you'd better be darn sure you have grounds.
There are some great CPS workers and there are some abysmal CPS workers.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
April 30th, 2013 11:39 PM
I might be able to give some insight as to what is happening.
Originally Posted by Jeanlouise
California Child Protective Services and NOT the police more than likely had a court order to take the child. The police are merely baby sitters and protection officers for the Child Protective Services people. What would you do if CPS arrived at your door to seize a child. Probably slap the snot out of at list one of them (they run in small packs). So, the police go with them to protect the CPS critters.
Most police officers I know cannot stand being around these people because of their constant intrusion in to families. Now, granted there are times when it is necessary, but remember, SOMEONE reported this matter to CHild Protective Services and I rather doubt it was a police officer.
I agree fully with oldman45.....
April 30th, 2013 11:41 PM
In the interview on TV they said it was the first doctor that reported them.
Originally Posted by USM1976
I agree with the rest of your post although it sure looked as if the police were going in after a gang of criminals, not a woman with her baby.
May 1st, 2013 01:22 AM
Guilty until proven innocent.
CPS Motto: "Take the kid now, ask questions later."
The real frightening thing is that it took days for the courts to start to get their act together and let the parents see and take care of their kid. And even then the parents need to agree to not remove their son from the hospital and must follow "all medical advice". And they must agree to allow CPS visits in the coming weeks to "check up" on them.
I think the parents should just tell CPS and the judge to take a long walk off a short pier. Everything I read gives no indication at all that the parents are doing anything wrong, or not seeking sound medical advice, or doing anything to harm, or allow harm to their son. So why is the government involved at all any more?
Their definition of "compromise" is that they get to overreact, and we need to "compromise" and let them get away with part of their overreaction.
I feel for these parents. They are going through an incredibly difficult time with their son's illness, and the government turns a bad situation even worse.
May 1st, 2013 01:39 AM
Psssssssssssst, this was in California which has been the weirdest state in the Union since forever........
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May 1st, 2013 02:04 AM
Unless my child has experinced major trauma you bet I would get a second opinion before open heart surgery. Go in with flu like symptoms and then your told you need heart surgery. I've seen major medical mistakes made in the 5 years I've been in the field. Always question your doctor and ask for another set of tests at another facility before you undergo any life changing/ending surgery.
Still the parents should have talked to the doctor and awaited discharge. They had that right, leaving unannounced was not the right thing to do.
This doctor will look very foolish if Stanford finds the baby didn't need a surgery. If I were the parents I would have gone to Stanford for the second opinion anyways. I wouldn't have trusted Kaiser anymore than Sutter.
Many mistake were made in this situation but none by the police.
May 1st, 2013 03:12 AM
A parent has every darn right to seek a second opinion. I dont care what state your in. So now you can be forced to let a doctor you dont trust for some reason keep a child hostage in a hospital and let that doctor perform surgery??
As far as waiting for a discharge if I dont like whats going on with me or my child in a hospital then we are gone, end of story and I invite anyone to try to stop me. Ive done it before and Ill danged sure do it again if I feel the need too. Enough is Enough!!!
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May 1st, 2013 03:32 AM
I might agree that they were out of line if they hadn't taken their child to anoyher Doctor/Hospital for a second opinion,sounds like CPS without any investigation and after a complaint filed by one doctor IMHO exceeded their authority,I hope the couple wins a huge lawsuit against the State and the Doctor
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May 1st, 2013 04:34 AM
I had a gut feeling this thread would get gnarly super quick. That's why I'll just be over there ---> holding up the wall.
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May 1st, 2013 05:04 AM
The mom had started a video camera when the police arrived. A male voice said, "I'm going to grab your baby..." Maybe not the best choice of words.
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